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i know the difference.
You just can't justify the expenditure necessary to tame the
animals ... just because cause you can't 'completely' control the
terrorists. Catch or kill them where and when you can but don't
destroy governments and kill everyone who gets in the way or shoots
back, and then force Americans to rebuild their shit holes. It's an
insane and failed policy.
again, we'll just have to disagree.
On Dec 8, 9:16 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ..........Geez.......
>
> I think if I were to meet you face-to-face, and maybe over a couple of
> Budweisers, I could explain to you the difference between "Imperialists";
> "Interventonists"; "Isolationists"; and the distinction between "Wacko
> Left, Socialist-Elitist Moonbats" versus "Wacko Right, Conspiratorialist
> Crackpots"......
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:22 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > These socialists (except when it comes to lining their own
> > pockets!) have damn near ruined our Nation!
> > ---
> > true
>
> > so, we get to choose between socialists and imperialists
>
> > vote 3rd party!
>
> > On Dec 6, 8:10 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Let's not kid ourselves, this is the Democrats, not Republicans here who
> > > are to blame. These socialists (except when it comes to lining their
> > own
> > > pockets!) have damn near ruined our Nation! Barney Frank, Franklin
> > > Raines, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd, the list goes on, and they are all
> > > Socialist Democrats! Hell, even Bill Clinton admitted it:
>
> > > *"I think the responsibility that the Democrats have, may rest more in
> > > resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was
> > > president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae
> > and
> > > Freddie Mac."*
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfGWxqsKFmY
>
> > > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 4:10 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > the Justice Department's failure to investigate Wall Street, crony
> > > > corporatism, and
> > > > Countrywide
> > > > ----
> > > > ah ... the good old days when you could sell a loan package with
> > > > almost no regulations
>
> > > > On Dec 6, 12:43 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Last night's *60 Minutes* featured a truly shameful story on the
> > Justice
> > > > > Department's failure to investigate Wall Street, crony corporatism,
> > and
> > > > > Countrywide. Steve Kroft pretended to be investigating while not
> > asking
> > > > > the Obama Justice Department lackeys (former Clinton administration
> > > > > lackeys) ANY pointed questions at all. One wonders if he got slapped
> > > > > around for asking Nancy Pelosi about her insider trading profits a
> > few
> > > > > weeks back and was told to make atonement.
>
> > > > > <
> >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MNDpxK_MzvI/Tt5gDKHYUyI/AAAAAAAAAqw/WM0pKa_..
> > > > .>
>
> > > > > He was skewered for it today for an hour by radio host Chris Plante
> > on
> > > > DC's
> > > > > WMAL (which is usually rebroadcast on the weekend, since I can't
> > find it
> > > > > for you on-line). But all one need do is repair to Wikipedia (George
> > > > Soros
> > > > > has not bought it yet) to find that everyone from Nancy Pelosi's son
> > to
> > > > > Congressman James Clyburn to former Senator Chris Dodd to many other
> > > > > Clinton and Obama hireling were given favorable loan terms for
> > keeping
> > > > the
> > > > > party going:
>
> > > > > "Friends of Angelo (FOA)" VIP program
>
> > > > > Further information: Countrywide financial political loan
> > > > > scandal<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countrywide_financial_political_loan_sca..
> > .>
>
> > > > > In June 2008 Conde Nast
> > > > > Portfolio<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conde_Nast_Portfolio>
> > reported
> > > > > that several influential lawmakers and politicians, including Senate
> > > > > Banking Committee <
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Banking_Committee
>
> > > > > Chairman Christopher Dodd
> > > > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Dodd>, Senate
> > > > > Budget Committee <
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Budget_Committee>
> > > > > Chairman Kent Conrad <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_Conrad>,
> > and
> > > > Fannie
> > > > > Mae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae> former CEO Jim
> > > > > Johnson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Johnson_(businessman)
> > >,
> > > > > received favorable mortgage financing from Countrywide by virtue of
> > being
> > > > > "Friends of Angelo."[13]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Countrywide.27s_..
> > .>
> > > > > [14]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-CFC_Friends_Loan..
> > .>
>
> > > > > Senator Dodd received a $75,000 reduction in mortgage payments from
> > > > > Countrywide at allegedly below-market rates on his Washington, D.C.
> > and
> > > > > Connecticut homes. Michael Moore's*Capitalism: A Love Story* shows on
> > > > film
> > > > > that this was actually over a million dollars of a sweet-heart
> > mortgage
> > > > > deal.[13]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Countrywide.27s_..
> > .>
> > > > > [15]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-Dodd_Angelo.27s_..
> > .>
> > > > > Dodd
> > > > > nonetheless called for stronger regulation of mortgage lenders and
> > > > proposed
> > > > > that predatory lenders should face criminal
> > > > > charges.[16]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-deal-15>
>
> > > > > Clinton Jones III, senior counsel of the House Financial Services
> > > > > Subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity, and "an adviser to
> > > > > ranking Republican members of Congress responsible for legislation of
> > > > > interest to the financial services industry and of importance to
> > > > > Countrywide." was given special treatment. Jones is now state
> > director
> > > > for
> > > > > federal residential-mortgage bundler Freddie Mac. Alphonso
> > > > > Jackson<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonso_Jackson>,
> > > > > acting secretary of HUD at the time and long time friend and Texas
> > > > neighbor
> > > > > of President Bush, received a discounted mortgage for himself and
> > sought
> > > > > one for his daughter. "In 2003, using V.I.P. loans for nearly $1
> > million
> > > > > apiece, Franklin Raines <
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Raines>,
> > > > > Fannie Mae's chairman and C.E.O. from 1999 to 2004, twice refinanced
> > his
> > > > > seven-bedroom home, which has a pool and movie
> > > > > theater."[16]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-deal-15>
>
> > > > > Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi>'s
> > > > > son, Paul Pelosi, Jr., also received a loan with Countrywide. Barbara
> > > > > Boxer<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Boxer>
> > > > > , Adam H. Putnam <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_H._Putnam>,
> > Richard
> > > > C.
> > > > > Holbrooke <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Holbrooke>,
> > James E.
> > > > > Clyburn <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Clyburn>, and Donna
> > > > > Shalala<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Shalala> are
> > > > > also among those with mortgages from Countrywide.
>
> > > > > CBS News <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_News> has obtained the
> > > > following
> > > > > list of then-Fannie Mae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae>
> > > > employees
> > > > > whose names have been turned over to investigators as having
> > received VIP
> > > > > loans from Countrywide:[17]<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#cite_note-16>
>
> > > > > - Sandra Adams: Fannie Mae Account Associate
> > > > > - Nitirwork Armstrong: Fannie Mae Director
> > > > > - Gregg Ayres: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > > > > - Jeffrey Baker: Fannie Mae Business Analyst
> > > > > - Ingrid Beckles: Freddie Mac VP Default Mgmt
> > > > > - Cherry Billings: Fannie Mae Asst to CEO
> > > > > - Christine Buckley: Fannie Mae Sr Assistant
> > > > > - Sharon Canavan: Fannie Mae Govt Relations/Lobbyist
> > > > > - Delynn Conley: Fannie Mae Underwriter
> > > > > - Carla Corpuz: Fannie Mae Senior Underwriter
> > > > > - Tanguy De Carbonnieres: Fannie Mae Legal Counsel
> > > > > - Bernard Deane: Fannie Mae Director
> > > > > - Mollie Dougherty: Fannie Mae Sr Business Manager
> > > > > - Roy Downey: Fannie Mae Director
> > > > > - Cynthia Fatica: Fannie Mae Legal Counsel
> > > > > - Jamie Gorelick <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Gorelick>:
> > > > Fannie
> > > > > Mae Vice Chair
> > > > > - Lizbeth Grant: Fannie Mae Director Tec/Secondary Mkt
> > > > > - Greta Hamilton: Fannie Mae Manager/Home Loans
> > > > > - Lester Handy: Fannie Mae Consultant
> > > > > - James Johnson: Fannie Mae Chairman and CEO
> > > > > - Jack King: Fannie Mae Manager
> > > > > - Karen King: Fannie Mae Credit Risk manager
> > > > > - Gerald Langbauer: Freddie Mac VP Sales
> > > > > - Derek Lowe: Fannie Mae Technician/Home Loans
> > > > > - Mary Lee Moriarity: Fannie Mae Sr Underwriter Consult/Lending
> > > > > - Daniel Mudd: Fannie Mae Vice Chair and COO
> > > > > - Paulette Porter: Fannie Mae Sr Proj Mgr/Mtg Securities
> > > > > - Alan Quirion: Freddie Mac Director
> > > > > - John Radwanski: Freddie Mac Sr Port Director
> > > > > - Franklin Raines: Fannie Mae Chairman and CEO
> > > > > - Robin Ramsay: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > > > > - Rebecca Rosena: Fannie Mae Credit Risk manager
> > > > > - Irwin Rosenstein: Fannie Mae Ass. General Counsel
> > > > > - Robert Sanborn: Fannie Mae Vice President
> > > > > - William Shirreffs: Fannie Mae Director
> > > > > - Joseph Silva: Fannie Mae Servicing Portfolio Manager
> > > > > - Donna Simpson: Fannie Mae Customer Acct Manager
> > > > > - Michelle Sorensen: Fannie Mae Sr Business An/Mortgage
> > > > > - Mary Ann Staley: Fannie Mae Marketing Dir
> > > > > - Deborah Kay: Tretler Fannie Mae VP Risk Management
> > > > > - Kirk Willison: Freddie Mac VP Trade Relations/Dir Industry
> > Relations
> > > > > - David Yoon: Fannie Mae Acct Associate
>
> > > > > [edit<
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Angelo_Mozilo&action=edit&s..
> > .>
> > > > > ]
>
> > > > > <
> >http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-45R7KdcmwD8/Tt5gLym7lsI/AAAAAAAAAq4/aRHymb8..
> > > > .>
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