think it can change course. It will soon be a Nation that is
governed
under Sharia Law and will be a predominately theological Islamic
Nation-State probably during yous and my lifetime. So will most of
Europe.
----
their problem
(I think Switzerland is an exception, because it has rather
strict immigration laws, and like you pointed out, the Swiss are armed
to
the teeth).
---
it's hard to argue with over 500 years of independence in a volatile
region
Paul is naive, and his statement above makes my point. We are under
attack,
---
We are under attack? Who has spent the last 60 years attacking and
occupying who?
And since you're labeling them as muslims, and not middle easterners,
the 'we' you're referring to would be xians and jews.
Yes, I suggest that your camps fear is based on religious survival.
and it doesn't matter whether we were, "intervening" as Dr. Paul,
and his minsinformed cult of followers would frame it or not. The
current
Islamic leadership that would like to see a global "Dar al Islam" do
in
fact resent our freedoms and successes.
---
belief noted ... not shared
resenting our freedom and success is little concern to the muslims ...
our attacks and occupations are a huge concern, the terrorists have
said so
This is the whole issue of what
you are missing, and I don't know how to convince you, and other
crackpots
and Moonbats of the threat. Open your eyes! Muslims who are in
control
right now, are fundamentalist in their thinking.
---
similar to the Great Commission
Anyone who is not of that
mindset, whether they are Islamic or not Islamic, are infidels. The
term
"Infidel" includes what we might term, "Moderate Muslims". The
current
leadership of Islam have a disdain for anything "Western". They
reject the
McDonaldization of the World, and hate the bright colors, the brand
names, e.g.; anything that is remotely considered Western. This is
not
just Israel and the United States we are talkiing about, they hate
the
names, Bosch, BMW, Mercedes, Siemens, BP, Royal Dutch Shell, or
any
Western identified MWO's.
---
religious kooks they are ... a threat to xianity and judaism for
sure ... a threat to America they are not, proven by our ability to
circle the planet and attack and occupy their countries
On Dec 17, 9:18 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Morning PlainOl!
>
> Herein lies I think the divergence of opinion:
>
> You Wrote:
>
> *"Your camp, however, thinks that it's because they hate our freedom and
> success and are trying to rule our nation. One has to only look at the
> actions of the US military to see who is trying to rule who."*
> **
> *=======*
>
> Dr. Paul said:
>
> *"To declare war on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same,
> this is dangerous talk. Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come
> here to kill us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to
> Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd. If you think that's the
> reason, we have no chance of winning this. They come here and they
> explicitly explain it to us. The CIA has explained it to us. They said they
> come here and want to do us harm because we're bombing them."*
>
> ==========
>
> Let's stick on the same premise here for a moment, and keep the discussion
> to the United States, as compared to Switzerland and Sweden. In
> particular, Sweden.
>
> As you pointed out, neither of these Nation-States spend money on foreign
> involvement like the United States. Sweden is lost PlainOl. I don't
> think it can change course. It will soon be a Nation that is governed
> under Sharia Law and will be a predominately theological Islamic
> Nation-State probably during yous and my lifetime. So will most of
> Europe. (I think Switzerland is an exception, because it has rather
> strict immigration laws, and like you pointed out, the Swiss are armed to
> the teeth).
>
> Paul is naive, and his statement above makes my point. We are under
> attack, and it doesn't matter whether we were, "intervening" as Dr. Paul,
> and his minsinformed cult of followers would frame it or not. The current
> Islamic leadership that would like to see a global "Dar al Islam" do in
> fact resent our freedoms and successes. This is the whole issue of what
> you are missing, and I don't know how to convince you, and other crackpots
> and Moonbats of the threat. Open your eyes! Muslims who are in control
> right now, are fundamentalist in their thinking. Anyone who is not of that
> mindset, whether they are Islamic or not Islamic, are infidels. The term
> "Infidel" includes what we might term, "Moderate Muslims". The current
> leadership of Islam have a disdain for anything "Western". They reject the
> McDonaldization of the World, and hate the bright colors, the brand
> names, e.g.; anything that is remotely considered Western. This is not
> just Israel and the United States we are talkiing about, they hate the
> names, Bosch, BMW, Mercedes, Siemens, BP, Royal Dutch Shell, or any
> Western identified MWO's.
>
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I understand the threat that Islam and its
> > leadership poses to the world.
> > ---
> > yeah, sharia law and governance ... I get it
> > imo - our legal system shouldn't use sharia or any other religious
> > law. The USA is a secular nation.
> > That many european and middle eastern countries, like Israel and
> > India, do is their business
>
> > Again, Dr. Paul indicated last night that
> > he doesn't understand this threat.
> > ---
> > he understands the difference between a potential threat, a real one
> > and a fear of islam.
> > We are being invaded every day by foreign hispanics from the south and
> > you're worried about the muzzies?
>
> > There was one comment he made about how
> > Islam doesn't attack Switzerland or Sweden......I broke out laughing!
> > ----
> > the statement:
> > Rep. Paul stressed that Santorum's claim that Islamic theology is
> > founded upon killing everyone is not based in reality: "To declare war
> > on 1.2 billion Muslims and say all Muslims are the same, this is
> > dangerous talk. Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come
> > here to kill us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to
> > Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd. If you think that's the
> > reason, we have no chance of winning this. They come here and they
> > explicitly explain it to us. The CIA has explained it to us. They said
> > they come here and want to do us harm because we're bombing them."
>
> > S&S do get attacked by terrorists, like many countries, but
> > Switzerland does not send troops to intervene in other nations.
> > Switzerland does not spend tens of billions of dollars yearly to fund
> > dictators around the world, nor did Switzerland donate hundreds of
> > billions of dollars to the Warsaw Pact through bank "loans."
> > Switzerland does not send billions of dollars worth of weaponry every
> > year to the warring tribes in the Middle East . Switzerland has no
> > enemies. Yet the Swiss are armed to the teeth and dug into every hill
> > and under every building.
>
> > US policy is the evil-parallel-universe inverse of the Swiss. The US
> > intervenes everywhere, spies on everyone, supports every faction in
> > every dispute. We have as many enemies as there are disputatious
> > people in the world. Yet we spend more effort on disarming our own
> > airline pilots and other law-abiding citizens than on providing
> > shelters for our children against nuclear, chemical, or biological
> > attack. We have an expensive conventional army, and quite a few aging
> > offensive nuclear weapons.
>
> > In a perfect world, Dr. Paul's logic is.....Logical. Unfortunately,
> > Dr.
> > Paul is just flat out naive regarding foreign policy and world
> > affairs.
> > ---
> > naive about what?
> > His opinion, like that of many Americans, is that our occupation and
> > interference in their government is the cause of their disdain or
> > hatred. Your camp, however, thinks that it's because they hate our
> > freedom and success and are trying to rule our nation. One has to only
> > look at the actions of the US military to see who is trying to rule
> > who.
>
> > I am rushed this morning, but I will follow up with examples of what I
> > speak of, and attempt to demonstrate why the term "Neo-Con" is so
> > misplaced by Ron Paul and his misinformed supporters.
> > ---
> > it's not misplaced ... it's accurate
> > the term and members have changed over time a bit but
> > 'neoconservatives' currently includes those who support spreading
> > democracy at the end of a gun, support israel, and want to keep any
> > potential national adversary in the cross-hairs so they can feel safe
> > while plundering resources and replacing leaders, regardless of the
> > failure of the policy.
>
> > On Dec 16, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Good Morning PlainOl,
>
> > > Your Wiki article is thoughtful, and usually I don't use Wiki for
> > examples
> > > of political theory.
>
> > > I have no hatred of Islam. I have studied Islam, long before the
> > > September 11, 2001 tragedy, and I understand the threat that Islam and
> > its
> > > leadership poses to the world. Again, Dr. Paul indicated last night
> > that
> > > he doesn't understand this threat. There was one comment he made about
> > how
> > > Islam doesn't attack Switzerland or Sweden......I broke out laughing!
>
> > > In a perfect world, Dr. Paul's logic is.....Logical. Unfortunately,
> > Dr.
> > > Paul is just flat out naive regarding foreign policy and world affairs.
>
> > > I am rushed this morning, but I will follow up with examples of what I
> > > speak of, and attempt to demonstrate why the term "Neo-Con" is so
> > > misplaced by Ron Paul and his misinformed supporters.
>
> > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > Again, I don't think you know what a NeoCon is.
> > > > ---
> > > > I do and you have already admitted that you don't
> > > > here's a primer ... read it thoroughly
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
>
> > > > You have been filled
> > > > with such hatred and misinformation
> > > > ---
> > > > cite specific hatred
> > > > you're the one with a hatred for islam ... a religion with just as
> > > > many kooks as xianity and judaism
>
> > > > On Dec 14, 5:04 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Again, I don't think you know what a NeoCon is. You have been
> > filled
> > > > > with such hatred and misinformation, that you wouldn't know the
> > truth if
> > > > it
> > > > > hit you right square in the ass.
>
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM, plainolamerican
> > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > > > Your views on isolationism,
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > I don't advocate isolationism ... but you do advocate imperialism
>
> > > > > > extremism,
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > exemplified by the US invasion of the middle east
>
> > > > > > and anti-semitism are noted.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > you're accusation has been noted ... so has has your allegiance to
> > the
> > > > > > imperialist warmongering zionist neocons
>
> > > > > > On Dec 14, 2:02 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Your views on isolationism, extremism, and anti-semitism are
> > noted.
>
> > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:53 AM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > there is no socialist-elitist Democrat who is
> > > > > > > > going to bring prosperity to any community, State, region or
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > federal level
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > agreed
>
> > > > > > > > then there's the waste of our nation's wealth and soldiers on
> > other
> > > > > > > > countries (interventionism) at the hands of the republicans and
> > > > > > > > democrats
>
> > > > > > > > vote for Ron Paul and rebuild America as a powerhouse, without
> > > > > > > > imperialist warmongering
>
> > > > > > > > On Dec 14, 9:57 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The bottom line, is that there is no socialist-elitist
> > Democrat
> > > > who
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > going to bring prosperity to any community, State, region
> > or
> > > > on the
> > > > > > > > > federal level. The socialist-elitist Democrats have not
> > brought
> > > > any
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > ideas or thoughts to the table in over seventy years. It is
> > a
>
> ...
>
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