would
have said not to have got involved in it in the first place.
---
a good reason to support nonintervention
On Oct 3, 11:16 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think we have been involved in a number of conflicts where prudence would
> have said not to have got involved in it in the first place. More
> importantly, I question the mission in a number of instances. Afghanistan
> is a good example right now. I don't know WTF we are doing there anymore.
> The goal was to wipe out the Taliban. I thought we did that ten years
> ago.....
>
> I do know it is not a good thing to be named as the al Queida or the Taliban
> "Number 2 Man".....We kill or knock off the "No. 2" guy just about once a
> month!
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 6:07 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > no apology needed ... I took it as humor
> > so we disagree about Reagan and an interventionist policy ... we agree
> > on most things
>
> > fwiw - wouldn't you agree that a US interventionist policy has cost
> > Americans too much?
>
> > On Oct 3, 11:01 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > <Grin>!
>
> > > Yea, I might have had a couple of cocktails that night, and the message
> > > didn't come out near as humorous as I had intended on it sounding....
>
> > > Sorry about that!
>
> > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:13 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > I got your "loser" hangin'....
> > > > ---
> > > > ah, so sensitive ... just because I've pointed out what a fuckup
> > > > Ronald "I Can't Recall" Reagan was before he became wormfood
> > > > that he turned in his friends as communist subversives says tons
>
> > > > Don't even go there with me. I will slap you down like a dirt road
> > > > walkin'
> > > > red headed half breed adopted dirt road walkin', trailer park
> > > > livin'.......Well, I hope you get my drift!
> > > > ---
> > > > bring it on!!!
>
> > > > On Sep 30, 6:34 pm, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hey PlainOl!
>
> > > > > I got your "loser" hangin'....
>
> > > > > Don't even go there with me. I will slap you down like a dirt road
> > > > walkin'
> > > > > red headed half breed adopted dirt road walkin', trailer park
> > > > > livin'.......Well, I hope you get my drift!
>
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 11:35 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > How sad..... (That is all you could come up with?)
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > oh, there's plenty more
>
> > > > > > Reagan never "negotiated" with Iranian hostage takers.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > he admitted it, loser
>
> > > > > > Osama bin Laden was fighting Soviets during the Cold War when the
> > CIA
> > > > > > assisted the Mujahadeen
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > under Ronald "I Can't Recall" Reagan's orders
>
> > > > > > I dunno who Albert Alkek is,
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > that figures ... he was a racketeer
>
> > > > > > George Steinbrenner was a great Tampanian, so
> > > > > > anything that Ronald Reagan did for him was well deserved.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > he's a jewish scumbag that should have been imprisoned
>
> > > > > > It's late, and I have to get up in about six hours. For all of the
> > > > > > menial
> > > > > > tripe that you have attempted to smear Ronald Reagan with, (and you
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > be ashamed!)
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > he broke our laws, lied about it, admitted his lies, and should've
> > > > > > been removed from office for his warmongering.
> > > > > > Bush should've also been prosecuted ... before sealing Reagan's
> > > > > > records.
>
> > > > > > The 8 years Reagan was in office represented one of the most
> > > > > > bloody eras in the history of the Western hemisphere, as Washington
> > > > > > funneled money, weapons and other supplies to right wing death
> > squads.
> > > > > > And the death toll was staggering — more than 70,000 political
> > > > > > killings in El Salvador, more than 100,000 in Guatemala, 30,000
> > killed
> > > > > > in the contra war in Nicaragua. In Washington, the forces carrying
> > out
> > > > > > the violence were called "freedom fighters." This is how Ronald
> > Reagan
> > > > > > described the Contras in Nicaragua: "They are our brothers, these
> > > > > > freedom fighters and we owe them our help. They are the moral equal
> > of
> > > > > > our founding fathers."
>
> > > > > > In March 1987 a memo was written by Jim Cannon to Howard Baker,
> > > > > > Reagan's new Chief of Staff. His first recommendation: "Consider
> > the
> > > > > > possibility that section four of the 25th amendment might be
> > applied."
> > > > > > The amendment allows for the removal of the president when "the
> > > > > > president is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his
> > office."
> > > > > > Mayer and McManus reported that staffers told Cannon in confidence
> > > > > > that Reagan had become "inattentive and inept ... He was lazy; he
> > > > > > wasn't interested in the job ... he wouldn't read the papers they
> > gave
> > > > > > him - even short position papers and documents ... he wouldn't come
> > > > > > over to work - all he wanted to do was watch movies and television
> > at
> > > > > > the residence."
>
> > > > > > I can come up with ten-fold reasons why he was the greatest
> > > > > > American President of all time, but alas, a subject for another
> > day.
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > > oh, like trickle down economics?
> > > > > > Reagan's response to the 1981-1982 recession, the worst economic
> > > > > > downturn since the Great Depression, was to declare ketchup a
> > > > > > vegetable, release federal cheese surpluses, and shackle the strike
> > > > > > leaders of the air traffic control union hand and foot and lead
> > them
> > > > > > off to jail. My most pronounced memories of the Reagan years are
> > the
> > > > > > three hour cheese line and the German care packages to unemployed
> > > > > > workers in Detroit. In the first two years of the Reagan
> > > > > > administration, his policy was a forced economic recession and de-
> > > > > > industrialization of the United Stated.
>
> > > > > > Reagan was battered and widely discredited. But, in the end, he was
> > > > > > not forced to resign (as Nixon had been). He was shoved to the
> > > > > > political sidelines of his own White House, and a new political
> > team
> > > > > > (headed by Senator Howard Baker, and working closely with Vice
> > > > > > President Bush) took over the day-to-day operations of the U.S.
> > > > > > government.
>
> > > > > > On Sep 29, 5:20 pm, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > How sad..... (That is all you could come up with?)
>
> > > > > > > Reagan never "negotiated" with Iranian hostage takers.
>
> > > > > > > Osama bin Laden was fighting Soviets during the Cold War when the
> > CIA
> > > > > > > assisted the Mujahadeen.
>
> > > > > > > I dunno who Albert Alkek is, George Steinbrenner was a great
> > > > Tampanian,
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > anything that Ronald Reagan did for him was well deserved.
>
> > > > > > > It's late, and I have to get up in about six hours. For all of
> > the
> > > > > > menial
> > > > > > > tripe that you have attempted to smear Ronald Reagan with, (and
> > you
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > > be ashamed!) I can come up with ten-fold reasons why he was the
> > > > greatest
> > > > > > > American President of all time, but alas, a subject for another
> > day.
>
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:51 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Name one thing that you believe President Reagan did that you
> > > > believe
> > > > > > > > was incompetent.
> > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > 1 - he negotiated with iranian hostage takers with israeli
> > weapons
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > used the money to fund sandanista terrorists
> > > > > > > > 3 - funding Ossama bin Laden
> > > > > > > > 3 - he pardoned illegal alien/criminals, Albert Alkek , Gilbert
> > > > > > > > Dozier, George Steinbrenner, W. Mark Felt and Edward Miller,
> > and
> > > > host
> > > > > > > > of other convicted criminals
> > > > > > > > 4 - ran a massive criminal operation that imported hundreds of
> > tons
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > cocaine into the US and shipped arms illegally to the terrorist
> > > > > > > > Contras that Reagan affectionately called "Freedom Fighters"
>
> > > > > > > > the list is very long
> > > > > > > > The full extent of Reagan's crimes may never be known because
> > > > George
> > > > > > > > W. Bush issued an executive order which countermands the 1978
> > > > > > > > Presidential Records Act and prevents the release of 68,000
> > pages
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > Reagan era documents.
>
> > > > > > > > Name one terrorist that President Reagain negotiated with.
> > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > Islamic Jihad (that later evolved into Hezbollah)
> > > > > > > > On March 4, 1987, Reagan, in a nationally televised address,
> > took
> > > > full
> > > > > > > > responsibility for actions that "what began as a strategic
> > opening
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for
> > > > > > > > hostages."
> > > > > > > > In 1981, The CIA began selling arms to Iran at high prices,
> > using
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > profits to arm the Contras fighting the Sandinista government
> > in
> > > > > > > > Nicaragua. President Reagan vows that the Sandinistas will be
> > > > > > > > "pressured" until "they say 'uncle.'" The US also sends
> > military
> > > > > > > > advisors to El Salvador.[36]
>
> > > > > > > > In July 1985, Israel sent American-made BGM-71 TOW antitank
> > > > missiles
> > > > > > > > to Iran through an arms dealer named Manucher Ghorbanifar, a
> > friend
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > Iran's Prime Minister, Mir-Hossein Mousavi. Hours after
> > receiving
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > weapons, the Islamic fundamentalist group Islamic Jihad (that
> > later
> > > > > > > > evolved into Hezbollah) released one hostage they had been
> > holding
> > > > in
> > > > > > > > Lebanon, the Reverend Benjamin Weir.[26]
> > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > reagan was a liar and a warmonger who should have been removed
> > from
> > > > > > > > office because of mental inabilities
>
> > > > > > > > the worms should have been allowed to eat his sorry carcase
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 4:14 pm,
>
> ...
>
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