jobs. We are wasting all our greenbacks on them.
On Oct 4, 6:52 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Green jobs, by Obamas example, cost 23 million apiece, pay 10 to 45 dollars
> an hour and last 10 to 11 months... a real bargain.
>
> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Green Jobs"?
>
> > Okay.......
>
> > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 5:18 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
>
> >> not $$ ... effectiveness
>
> >> Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign military
> >> assistance.Over the past decade, the U.S. has given more than $17
> >> billion in military aid to this country of 7,746,000 people.
>
> >> If military aid were cut off to Israel, the tax money could be spent
> >> in the United States to provide 364,000 low-income households with
> >> affordable housing vouchers, or to retrain 498,000 workers for green
> >> jobs, or to provide access to primary health care services for 24
> >> million uninsured Americans.
> >> Money saved could aid the U.S. military, which is closing military
> >> bases, freezing pay raises for service members, and cutting the
> >> defense budget.
> >> Military aid is given predominantly to Middle Eastern countries,
> >> particularly Egypt, Jordan, Israel and Saudi-Arabia, neither of which
> >> is a developing country.
>
> >> On Oct 3, 8:15 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> >> > EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> >> > trusted.
> >> > ----
> >> > wanna narrow this down a bit?
>
> >> > *Everyone* is as narrow as it gets, and no, Israel is not the best nor
> >> the
> >> > biggest lobby in Washington. That would be:
>
> >> > US Chamber of Commerce<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000019798&year=2011>
> >> > $770,655,680American Medical
> >> > Assn<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000068&year=2011>
> >> > $252,037,500General
> >> > Electric<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000125&year=2011>
> >> > $251,940,000AARP<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000023726&year=2011>
> >> > $207,432,064Pharmaceutical Rsrch & Mfrs of
> >> > America<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000504&year=2011>
> >> > $204,433,920American Hospital
> >> > Assn<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000116&year=2011>
> >> > $203,648,736Blue Cross/Blue
> >> > Shield<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000109&year=2011>
> >> > $169,655,236National Assn of
> >> > Realtors<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000062&year=2011>
> >> > $166,150,553Northrop
> >> > Grumman<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000170&year=2011>
> >> > $164,845,253Exxon
> >> > Mobil<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000129&year=2011>
> >> > $163,512,742Verizon
> >> > Communications<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000079&year=2011>
> >> > $158,014,841Edison Electric
> >> > Institute<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000297&year=2011>
> >> > $154,005,999Business
> >> > Roundtable<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000032202&year=2011>
> >> > $150,550,000Boeing
> >> > Co<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000100&year=2011>
> >> > $147,884,310Lockheed
> >> > Martin<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000104&year=2011>
> >> > $142,374,763AT&T
> >> > Inc<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000076&year=2011>
> >> > $126,449,336Southern
> >> > Co<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000168&year=2011>
> >> > $124,130,694General
> >> > Motors<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000155&year=2011>
> >> > $121,899,170PG&E
> >> > Corp<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000290&year=2011>
> >> > $119,190,000Pfizer
> >> > Inc<
> >>http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000000138&year=2011>
> >> > $114,757,268
>
> >> > Israel doesn't even make the top 20 in lobbying...the top ten are:
>
> >> > United Arab Emirates$10,914,002United
> >> Kingdom$6,105,200Japan$4,231,656Iraq
> >> > $3,708,368Turkey$3,524,632Morocco$3,337,392Saudi Arabia$3,308,285South
> >> Korea
> >> > $2,941,004Netherlands$2,694,604Equatorial Guinea$2,408,168
>
> >> > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, plainolamerican
> >> > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > > It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> >> > > EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> >> > > trusted.
> >> > > ----
> >> > > wanna narrow this down a bit?
>
> >> > > It is not just Israel
> >> > > ---
> >> > > no, israel just happens to be the largest, most effective lobby in DC
> >> > > a lobby that can destroy any voice in opposition to israel
>
> >> > > the US and its policies can not be trusted.
> >> > > ---
> >> > > but somehow the israelis can trust the US to protect them?
>
> >> > > On Oct 3, 2:06 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > Painol,
>
> >> > > > It is not just Israel that has working spynets in the US. It is
> >> > > > EVERYONE!!! They need them, the US and its policies can not be
> >> > > > trusted.
>
> >> > > > On Oct 3, 10:57 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened"
> >> and
> >> > > > > there
> >> > > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty,
> >> including
> >> > > > > Viet
> >> > > > > Nam
> >> > > > > ---
> >> > > > > are you implying that communism was a direct threat to our
> >> > > > > sovereignty?
> >> > > > > if so, then wouldn't you say that socialism is a direct threat?
>
> >> > > > > You may in fact disagree with the logic, (and like most
> >> > > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine
> >> > > > > ----
> >> > > > > Truman:
> >> > > > > I believe that we must assist free peoples to work out their own
> >> > > > > destinies in their own way.
> >> > > > > Speech to a joint session of the US Congress (12 March 1947),
> >> > > > > outlining what became known as The Truman Doctrine.
>
> >> > > > > All the president is, is a glorified public relations man who
> >> spends
> >> > > > > his time flattering, kissing, and kicking people to get them to do
> >> > > > > what they are supposed to do anyway.
>
> >> > > > > Had ten minutes conversation with Henry Morgenthau about
> >> Jewish
> >> > > > > ship in Palistine. Told him I would talk to Gen[eral] Marshall
> >> about
> >> > > > > it. He'd no business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense
> >> of
> >> > > > > proportion nor do they have any judgement on world affairs. Henry
> >> > > > > brought a thousand Jews to New York on a supposedly temporary
> >> basis
> >> > > > > and they stayed. When the country went backward — and Republican
> >> in
> >> > > > > the election of 1946, this incident loomed large on the DP
> >> [Displaced
> >> > > > > Person] program. The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They
> >> care
> >> > > > > not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or
> >> Greeks
> >> > > > > get murdered or mistreated as DP as long as the Jews get special
> >> > > > > treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or
> >> political
> >> > > > > neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or
> >> > > > > mistreatment to the under dog. Put an underdog on top and it makes
> >> no
> >> > > > > difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management,
> >> > > > > Labor, Mormon, Baptist he goes haywire. I've found very, very few
> >> who
> >> > > > > remember their past condition when prosperity comes.
>
> >> > > > > On Oct 3, 11:08 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > Hey PlainOl',
>
> >> > > > > > Israel is a conundrum, and not a good example of other hot spots
> >> in
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > world, albeit they are right in the middle of several issues.
>
> >> > > > > > To the point, if any Nation does any act that would threaten the
> >> > > sovereignty
> >> > > > > > of the United States, then I think we have the right to
> >> intervene.
> >> > > Thus,
> >> > > > > > when there are those who are not identified with a Nation-State,
> >> but
> >> > > are
> >> > > > > > devout on seeing Islam return to its glory of the 11th and 12th
> >> > > centuries,
> >> > > > > > then yes, I think we have every right to intervene. So was the
> >> case
> >> > > with
> >> > > > > > Afghanistan in 2001, Iraq (which we believed was a potential
> >> threat
> >> > > in
> >> > > > > > 2003) and Pakistan just last year, when we violated Pakistan's
> >> > > soveriegnty
> >> > > > > > to go in and emasculate Osama bin Laden.
>
> >> > > > > > I cannot think of any time in our history, where we "intervened"
> >> and
> >> > > there
> >> > > > > > wasn't an argument for the protection of our sovereignty,
> >> including
> >> > > Viet
> >> > > > > > Nam, and Iraq. You may in fact disagree with the logic, (and
> >> like
> >> > > most
> >> > > > > > Moonbats, not comprehend the Truman Doctrine with the case of
> >> Viet
> >> > > Nam)
> >> > > > > > and/or be intent on revising contemporary history, but again, I
> >> can
> >> > > think of
> >> > > > > > no incidents. (Maybe the Spanish American War....)
>
> >> > > > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 5:04 PM, plainolamerican
> >> > > > > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > > > > > > would we as a Nation have a right to interfere
> >> > > > > > > ---
> >> > > > > > > yes ... even to the extent of dismantling their government, if
> >> > > > > > > necessary
> >> > > > > > > but, remember, this is not about controlling resources or
> >> > > protecting
> >> > > > > > > one foreign government from another
>
> >> > > > > > > backatcha:
> >> > > > > > > If the US stops providing military support to israel and their
> >> > > enemies
> >> > > > > > > attack them should we interfere?
> >> > > > > > > remember, israel has spied on us, killed our soldiers,
> >> corrupted
> >> > > our
> >> > > > > > > politicians and promotes socialism in our nation
>
> >> > > > > > > On Oct 3, 9:50 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com>
>
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