Re: Truth versus MSNBC (about Ron Paul)

I think Dr. Paul is brilliant, and exactly on point with
his fiscal and economic policies... Paul is so literally
clueless when it comes to foreign policy,
.....
it is in our national interests to keep those sources of oil
viable and flowing.
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you think the current intervention policy and 'pre-emptive' wars for
oil are legal/just and in the USA's best interest?
Ron Paul is spot on when he calls the US invasion of the middle east
warmongering. The intervention policy was developed over decades by
known neocons, maintained by AIPAC, and is killing American soldiers
every day. By espousing transparency and democracy while
simultaneously undertaking secretive operations to undermine sovereign
nations, the United States acts counter to its own standards and
principles. That the USA is above int'l law (http://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States) says tons about it's worthlessness.

RP and I agree to let those animals police themselves and government
their own nations. Commerce with all ... entangling alliances with
none. They will always keep the oil flowing while they kill each other
and competition will insure reasonable prices.

Peace & Light

On Sep 9, 8:44 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Leroy,
>
> First, I dispute that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are only over oil.
> To prove my point, if this were the case, why didn't we just keep the oil
> fields that we had taken back in the first Gulf war?  Why didn't we just
> nationalize the oil fields in Iraq back five or six years ago?  The same
> logic applies with the Trans-Afghanistan oil pipeline?  That dawg won't
> hunt....
>
> Having said the above,  there is no question that havng free and
> unrestricted access to the oil in the Southest Asian region is imperative to
> our national interests.  it was our techology, our know-how,  our
> equipment,  our man-power,  our resources and our dollars that found the
> oil, drilled for the oil,  pumped the oil, and transported the oil to
> refineries and to market.
>
> Whether you like it, or don't like it, Western civilization is based on
> hydrocarbons, from the clothes that you wear, to the food that you eat,  to
> the toilet that you shit upon, not to mention every single source of energy
> and transportation that you utilize.   Yep,  oil is no question very
> important, and it is in our national interests to keep those sources of oil
> viable and flowing.
>
> War,  (to include "police actions"  such as we are involved in Afghanistan
> and to a lesser degree Iraq)  suck.  War is Hell.  Folks die. Innocent
> folks. Not so innocent folks. There is collateral damage. There is intended
> damage.   Nothing pretty, nothing really good coming out of a war.
>
> Other than to protect our national interests.  (*See* Above).
>
> If we had it all over to do again,  would we choose another course of
> action?  I don't have the answer to that, but I would think so.  It turned
> out that Iraq was not as much of a threat as was first suspicioned,  but
> "We" all believed that Hussein was a threat,  and when I say, "We";  I mean
> the Saudis,  the Egyptians, the Russians,  all of the European Union, our
> CIA,  the MI5,  etc., etc., etc.
>
> I will agree that I don't have a clue what we are doing in Afghanistan
> today.   I don't see a real exit strategy, and I don't know the purpose of
> what the Hell we are doing there in 2011.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 9:09 AM, lbiglee75 <leroys...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Keith, do you mean that the one we have now is right? Costing us lives
> > and bankrupting our nation. Their talking about the only way out of
> > our dilemma  is another world war. Do you think for one minute that
> > the Global Elite wants Ron Paul's message out? Do you think they want
> > an open hearing about the Fed and the monetary system out? What was
> > the deal made with OPEC to accept our dollar for payment for oil and
> > what has it cost us? I don't care about the money, But the lives is an
> > other matter. Sorry I don't agree with your assessment.
>
> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Good Morning from Tampa Leroy!
>
> > > As I have stated,  I think Dr. Paul is brilliant, and exactly on point
> > with
> > > his fiscal and economic policies.  We have now seen most all of the
> > > Republican candidates adopt the majority of what Paul has been saying for
> > > ten years or more.
>
> > > Other than Paul's fiscal and economic policies,  Paul is so literally
> > > clueless when it comes to foreign policy,  that it makes him dangerous.
> > > Paul is an isolationist, in  a very dangerous world.
>
> > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, lbiglee75 <leroys...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Keith, out of 77.000 votes Kieth what is Ron Paul saying other than he
> > >> believe we the people know better what is best than the Fed's
> > >> dictating to us and telling us what drum beat we must follow. When he
> > >> is given a chance he can hold his own.Believe me all the others will
> > >> be marching to someone beat.
>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > Most all conservative pundits gave Paul an F.
>
> > >> > Again, Paul has staunch supporters.  The fifteen hundred or so that
> > are
> > >> > around the Nation are vocal.  Much like Moonbats.
>
> > >> > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 7:56 PM, plainolamerican
> > >> > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
>
> > >> >> Go RP!!!
>
> > >> >> On Sep 8, 5:54 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > >> >> > Thursday, September 8, 2011Truth versus MSNBC (about Ron
> > Paul)Robert
> > >> >> > Wenzel
> > >> >> > Last night after the Republican presidential debate, MSNBC
> > conducted
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > poll online to see who viewers thought won the debate. It was a
> > blow
> > >> >> > away
> > >> >> > victory for Ron Paul, below is a bar chart showing the Ron Paul win
> > >> >> > and also
> > >> >> > the bar chart that was run by MSNBC. Notice the incorrect
> > proportions
> > >> >> > in the
> > >> >> > MSNBC chart showing Rick Perry and Mitt Romney much closer to Ron
> > >> >> > Paul, in
> > >> >> > votes, than they actually were. By the way the MSNBC chart was even
> > >> >> > more
> > >> >> > distorted early on. Bob Murphy caught a screenshot of theBig Lie.
> > >> >> > (Thanks 2 John T Foster for the correctly proportioned
>
> > >> >> > chart.)
> >http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/09/truth-versus-msnbc-about...
>
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