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East of me is the ocean.
Point taken, and I have made the same point RE Dept of Education is
illegal BECAUSE of the very amendment you cite.
But on one hand, MJ claims, the US govt has no power over immigration,
because its not explicit in the constitution (Naturalization,
schmation), and that the FDA is illegal, yet then goes on to purport
that no, explicit constitutional authority is not requisite.
Allllllllllllllllll-righty then!
On May 3, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg,
>
> ALL things not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as the
> responsibility of the Federal Government was to be left to the States to
> each deal with separately.
>
> What most people do not, or refuse, to see is that the USA was always meant
> to be a union of 50 separate and sovereign states. Each very distinct and
> offering to its citizens that which suited its specific citizens most. There
> was never an intension of "One law for all".
>
> Citizens (and only citizens of the several states) were to be allowed to
> travel freely between the states, There was to be no import/export tax
> between the states only at ports handling foreign trade ...(the biggest
> failure of the Articles of Confederation, and the main reason for the new
> Constitution, and Lincolns excuse for Ft. Sumter...tax collection). Only the
> President is elected by all and only he was meant to be responsible at
> large. It is the responsibility of Congressmen to represent their
> constituency only (pork was just fine as deals had to be made that would get
> enough votes...there was very little Federal money to go around), Senators
> were originally designed to represent the needs of their state only under
> the guiding hand of each governor. The Feds were responsible for only a VERY
> LIMITED military (basically the "officer corps") with the "standing army"
> made up ENTIRELY of the forces supplied by the states (thus the need to
> "Declare War" only by Congress assembled as their constituents were to be
> "called up")
>
> Laws about food safety, drugs, taxes, social welfare, medical, schools, etc.
> are the absolute responsibility of each separate state ..... separately.
> This is what would make different states attractive to different people and
> cause migration from one to another of both people and industry. States were
> allowed to sue one another over (literally) bad things flowing
> downstream...this was the interstate control factor... the federal courts.
>
> That these things are now dealt with by the Feds is indeed a usurpation of
> and by the Feds.
>
> Want better schools ?? move east, The Feds were never meant to make things
> equal... the states were never meant to be equal, all laws were never meant
> to be equal....
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 6:34 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
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> > On May 2, 8:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > You're being silly.
> > > Where in the constitution does it say government has the power
> > toregulatefood and drugs?
> > > Nowhere ... yet ANOTHER usurpation.The very reason for the US Code (laws)
> > is to pick up where the
> > > constitution leaves off, AND to limit where it doesn't
> > > ROTFLMAO!
> > > Jeffrey Tucker, Ditch the PlannersNo one so much as suggested such a
> > thing as the US Code in the first hundred years after the US Constitution
> > was enacted. It would have been only a little longer than the Constitution
> > itself. The first attempt to create such a compilation of laws occurred in
> > 1878 but it languished because no one felt the need to update it. Then in
> > 1926, in the midst of Prohibition when the feds became deeply involved in
> > regulating the details of life, Congress made the thing come into existence.
> > It is printed every six years.An institution was born, though most people
> > know nothing of it. The next printing will come out in 2012, but the 2006
> > with annotations was 356 thousand-plus-page volumes that cover every aspect
> > of life as we know it. The next one will add many new sections and probably
> > more than 100,000 pages.This is America's central plan -- or ownGosplan, so
> > to speak -- and it is as elaborate and detailed as any set of laws that have
> > ever governed any society in the history of the world. Much of this central
> > plan is absorbed into our daily lives in ways that we don't notice or aren't
> > aware of. This is supplemented by an additional layer of state and local
> > regulations that have been pushed on these governments by higher government
> > or grew up from within to adapt the central-planning ethos to the particular
> > circumstances of place and time. The effect is the same: life amidst an
> > impossibly tangled legal thicket that grows more elaborate and complex by
> > the day.It defies human comprehension but it is not without human effect.
> > Every aspect of our lives is subjected to it from birth to death. Every
> > product we buy, every service we use, every decision we make is filtered
> > through this morass. You can try this on your own by going
> > togpoaccess.govand typing in anything from chicken stock to funerals, and
> > observe the state at work, managing the whole of life as we know it in the
> > most minute detail one can imagine. Think of anything and search it, and
> > then see if you think we enjoy "free enterprise."Regard$,
> > > --MJ"It is hard for the plain people to think about a thing, but easy for
> > them to feel. Error, to hold their attention, must be visualized as a
> > villain, and the villain must proceed swiftly to his inevitable retribution.
> > They can understand that process; it is simple, usual, satisfying; it
> > squares with their primitive conception of justice as a form of revenge….
> > [The average reader] is not at all responsive to purely intellectual
> > argument, even when its theme is his own ultimate benefit…. But he is very
> > responsive to emotional suggestion, particularly when it is crudely and
> > violently made, and it is to this weakness that the newspapers must ever
> > address their endeavors. In brief, they must try to arouse his horror, or
> > indignation, or pity, or simply his lust for slaughter. Once they have done
> > that, they have him safely by the nose. He will follow blindly until his
> > emotion wears out. He will be ready to believe anything, however absurd, so
> > long as he is in his state of psychic tumescence." -- H. L. MenckenOn Apr
> > 30, 3:50 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > That Government has AGAIN usurped Power nowhere provided it
> > notwithstanding, your claim makes no sense.
> > > > What about all those seeking to exercise their right to migrate who
> > have ZERO interest in Naturalization? Oh well.
> > > > Here is the Constitution:
> >http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txtNowhereis Congress empowered
> > to make any laws/rules or otherwise concerning Immigration.
> > > > It is a necessity for the Nanny State to infringe rather than secure
> > this right which is why we see this usurpation occurring at the outset of
> > the (unconstitutional) Nanny State.
> > > > Regard$,
> > > > --MJ"Bryan Caplan has a damn good argument against the welfare state:
> > Its existence will always be raised as a reason why free immigration cannot
> > be permitted. Thus the theory of human rights is set against itself. The
> > winner is power." -- Sheldon RichmanAt 12:26 PM 4/30/2011, you wrote:Oh for
> > christ's sake MJ, controlling how people can become citizens
> > > > once they get here certainly includes whether or not then can get
> > > > here, and what we can do when they do.
> > > > Here is the US Code, as constitutionally enacted by Congress.
> >http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001227----000-.html
> > > > You're not very good at playing bullshitsemantics, and thats a
> > > > compliment.
> > > > On Apr 30, 12:09 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Only Congressmen and federal reps are given the right to "Travel"
> > between or
> > > > > within States of which they are not citizens.
>
> > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 9:10 AM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Naturalization, of course, is the acquisition of citizenship and
> > > > > > nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or national of that
> > country
> > > > > > when he or she was born and has absolutely NOTHING to do with
> > Immigration.
> > > > > > You actually PROVE the point as such would have been the ideal
> > place to
> > > > > > provide such a power.
>
> > > > > > Regard$,
> > > > > > --MJ
>
> > > > > > Modern nationalism and collectivism have, by the restriction of
> > migration,
> > > > > > perhaps come nearest to the "servile state." …Man can hardly be
> > reduced more
> > > > > > to a mere wheel in the clockwork of the national collectivist state
> > that
> > > > > > being deprived of his freedom to move.... Feeling that he belongs
> > now to his
> > > > > > nation, body and soul, he will be more easily subdued to the
> > obedient state
> > > > > > serf which nationalist and collectivist governments demand. --
> > Wilhelm Röpke
>
> > > > > > At 10:35 AM 4/30/2011, you wrote:
>
> > > > > > The Constitution does not authorize the federal government to
> > control
> > > > > > immigration.
>
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