You still get a Herr Godwin though. You should avoid that.
On Jan 3, 9:48 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if you agree with me then you are not misguided, unless I am
> wrong, which is occasional but unusual.
>
> Right On!
>
> On 1/3/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Uhm Tommy. I agree with you.
>
> > You sure I'm misguided?
>
> > On Jan 3, 9:35 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Greg-
>
> >> You are quite misinformed and misguided about pedophelia, I see. Your
> >> Reich wing statistics are incorrect.
> >> 99 percent of Pedophiles are heterosexual. About 90- 92 Percent of the
> >> population is heterosexual.
>
> >> Please read this in it's entirety and then report back to me:
>
> >>http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
>
> >> A snippet:
>
> >> Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as
> >> representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For
> >> example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian
> >> babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often
> >> lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.
> >> In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat
> >> to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully
> >> to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay
> >> discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and
> >> warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could
> >> sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic
> >> references are on a different web page]
>
> >> In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay
> >> people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates
> >> about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and
> >> scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's
> >> resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay
> >> activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this
> >> canard.
>
> >> The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual
> >> orientation is important because many child molesters don't really
> >> have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the
> >> capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men
> >> or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys,
> >> girls, or children of both sexes.
>
> >> Statistics and Conclusion:
>
> >> Freund et al. (1989). Heterosexuality, homosexuality, and erotic age
> >> preference. Journal of Sex Research, 26, 107-117.
> >> This article is discussed above in the "Other Approaches" section. As
> >> the FRC concedes, it contradicts their argument. The abstract
> >> summarizes the authors' conclusion: "Findings indicate that homosexual
> >> males who preferred mature partners responded no more to male children
> >> than heterosexual males who preferred mature partners responded to
> >> female children."
>
> >> Silverthorne & Quinsey. (2000). Sexual partner age preferences of
> >> homosexual and heterosexual men and women. Archives of Sexual
> >> Behavior, 29, 67-76.
> >> The FRC cites this study to challenge the Freund et al. data (see the
> >> previous paper above). However, the methodologies were quite
> >> different. Freund and his colleagues used a sample that included sex
> >> offenders and they assessed sexual arousal with a physiological
> >> measure similar to that described below for the 1988 Marshall et al.
> >> study. Silverthorne and Quinsey used a sample of community volunteers
> >> who were asked to view pictures of human faces and use a 7-point scale
> >> to rate their sexual attractiveness. The apparent ages of the people
> >> portrayed in the pictures was originally estimated by Dr. Silverthorne
> >> to range from 15 to 50. However, a group of independent raters
> >> perceived the male faces to range in age from 18 to 58, and the female
> >> faces to range from 19 to 60.
>
> >> The article doesn't report the data in great detail (e.g., average
> >> ratings are depicted only in a graphic; the actual numbers aren't
> >> reported) and the authors provide contradictory information about the
> >> rating scale (they describe it as a 7-point scale but also say it
> >> ranged from 0 to 7, which constitutes an 8-point scale). In either
> >> case, it appears that none of the pictures was rated as "very sexually
> >> attractive" (a rating of 7). Rather, the highest average ratings were
> >> approximately 5.
>
> >> On average, gay men rated the 18-year old male faces the most
> >> attractive (average rating = about 5), with attractiveness ratings
> >> declining steadily for older faces. They rated the 58-year old male
> >> faces 2, on average. By contrast, heterosexual men rated the 25-year
> >> old female faces the most attractive (about 5), with the 18- and
> >> 28-year old female faces rated lower (between 2 and 3) and the 60-year
> >> old female faces rated the least attractive (about 1).
>
> >> A serious problem with this study is that the researchers didn't
> >> control for the possibility that some of the faces pictured in the
> >> photos might simply have been more or less physically attractive than
> >> the others, independent of their age or gender. The researchers
> >> explicitly acknowledged this shortcoming, speculating that the women's
> >> faces in the 25-year old group might have been more attractive than
> >> women's faces in the other age groups. But they didn't address the
> >> possibility that the attractiveness of the male and female faces may
> >> not have been comparable.
>
> >> This issue could have been addressed in various ways. For example,
> >> prior to collecting data, the researchers could have started with a
> >> large number of photographs and asked a group of independent raters to
> >> evaluate the general physical attractiveness of the face in each
> >> photo; these ratings could have been used to select photos for the
> >> experiment that were equivalent in attractiveness. Getting independent
> >> ratings of experimental stimuli in this way is a common procedure in
> >> social psychological research.
>
> >> Thus, even if one accepts the questionable assumption that this study
> >> is relevant, it doesn't support the FRC's contention that gay men are
> >> more likely than heterosexual men to be child molesters for several
> >> reasons:
>
> >> the researchers failed to control for the varying attractiveness of
> >> the different photos;
> >> all of the faces portrayed in the photos were perceived to be at least 18;
> >> and
> >> the study merely assessed judgments of sexual attractiveness rather
> >> than the research participants' sexual arousal.
>
> >> Blanchard et al. (2000). Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation
> >> in pedophiles. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 29, 463-478.
> >> This study categorized convicted sex offenders according to whether
> >> they molested or reported sexual attraction to boys only, girls only,
> >> or both boys and girls. These groups were labeled, respectively,
> >> homosexual pedophiles, heterosexual pedophiles, and bisexual
> >> pedophiles. This classification referred to their attractions to
> >> children. Adult sexual orientation (or even whether the men had an
> >> adult sexual orientation) wasn't assessed.
>
> >> Elliott et al. (1995). Child sexual abuse prevention: What offenders
> >> tell us. Child Abuse & Neglect, 19, 579-594.
> >> In this study, child sex offenders were interviewed. Their sexual
> >> orientation (gay, heterosexual, bisexual) wasn't assessed. The authors
> >> drew from their findings to suggest strategies for how parents and
> >> children can prevent sexual victimization. It is noteworthy that none
> >> of those strategies involved avoiding gay men.
>
> >> Jenny et al. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by
> >> homosexuals? Pediatrics, 94, 41-44.
> >> This study, described above in the section on "Other Approaches,"
> >> contradicts the FRC's argument. The FRC faults the study because the
> >> researchers didn't directly interview perpetrators but instead relied
> >> on the victims' medical charts for information about the offender's
> >> sexual orientation. However, other studies cited favorably by the FRC
> >> (and summarized in this section) similarly relied on chart data
> >> (Erickson et al., 1988) or did not directly assess the sexual
> >> orientation of perpetrators (Blanchard et al. 2000; Elliott et al.
> >> 1995; Marshall et al., 1988). Thus, the FRC apparently considers this
> >> method a weakness only when it leads to results they dislike.
>
> >> Marshall et al. (1988). Sexual offenders against male children: Sexual
> >> preference. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 26, 383-391.
> >> In this study, the researchers compared 21 men who had sexually
> >> molested a male under 16 years (and at least 5 years younger than
> >> themselves) to 18 unemployed men who were not known to have molested a
> >> child. Over a series of sessions, each man watched color slides of
> >> nude males and females of various ages and listened to audiotaped
> >> descriptions of both coercive and consensual sexual interactions
> >> between a man and a boy. During the sessions, each man sat in a
> >> private booth, where he was instructed to lower his trousers and
> >> underwear and attach a rubber tube to his penis. The tube detected any
> >> changes in penis circumference, with increases interpreted as
> >> indicating sexual arousal.
>
> >> The FRC cites this study as showing that "a homosexual and a
> >> heterosexual subgroup can be delineated among these offenders." This
> >> is true but hardly relevant to their claims.
>
> >> The researchers categorized 7 offenders who were more aroused overall
> >> by the male nudes than the female nudes as the homosexual subgroup.
> >> They categorized 14 offenders who were more aroused overall by the
> >> female nudes as the heterosexual subgroup. The offenders were not
> >> asked their sexual orientation (gay, straight, bisexual) and the paper
> >> does not report any information about the nature of the offenders'
> >> adult sexual relationships, or even if they had any such
> >> relationships.
>
> >> Bickley & Beech. (2001). Classifying child abusers: Its relevance to
>
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