Clinton did indeed leave a surplus, which Dubya squandered away.
Look it up.
On 1/5/11, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Fool, Clinton did not leave a surplus. The Bush recession you keep
> blabbing about started in 2000 under Clinton and was in its 3rd quarter
> when Bush was inaugurated.
>
> On 01/05/2011 10:17 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>> "Obamacare" is an offensive and misleading negative term.
>>
>> Government plans rarely come in on or under
>> budget.
>> W. Bush caused the gigantic deficit and squandered the Clinton
>> surplus. Yes, he did.
>>
>> On 1/5/11, Mark<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tommy,
>>>
>>> Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think he
>>> would
>>> be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated.
>>>
>>> Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or under
>>> budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals.
>>>
>>> I am waiting.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is a plain lie.
>>>> That is another plain lie.
>>>> That is yet another plain lie.
>>>> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet
>>>> another
>>>> lie.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to
>>>>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the
>>>>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan
>>>>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single
>>>>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands
>>>>> now
>>>>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows
>>>>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for
>>>>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all.
>>>>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the
>>>>> Republicans are talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and
>>>>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and
>>>>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your
>>>>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health
>>>>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact
>>>>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the
>>>>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions
>>>>>> of the bill constantly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fight the lies and false smear!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free
>>>>>>> enterprise
>>>>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> own best policy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> as far as health care was concerned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy
>>>>>>> care... I
>>>>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless
>>>> bureaucrats
>>>>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country
>>>> and
>>>>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that
>>>>>>> literally
>>>>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to
>>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>> the working man.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his
>>>>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they
>>>>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do
>>>>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to
>>>>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it
>>>>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down
>>>>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by
>>>>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance
>>>>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world.
>>>>>>>> While
>>>>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's
>>>>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that
>>>>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up
>>>>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We
>>>>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our
>>>>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2,
>>>>>>>> Korea,
>>>>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive
>>>>>>>> side.
>>>>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are
>>>>>>>> not always in the right.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they
>>>> have.
>>>>>>>> Free
>>>>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot
>>>>>>>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"?
>>>> What
>>>>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our
>>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>> care.@@@@
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal
>>>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are
>>>>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance
>>>>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the
>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on
>>>>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get
>>>> sick,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> more.
>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other
>>>>>>>>>>>> reforms
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or
>>>> ideological
>>>>>>>>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we
>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse,
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed
>>>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait
>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stand
>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>> for them again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team.
>>>>>>>> Together,
>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused
>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> future:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking --
>>>> they're
>>>>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom
>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable
>>>>>>>>>>>> Care
>>>>>>>> Act
>>>>>>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them
>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to
>>>> grow
>>>>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep
>>>>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart
>>>>>>>>>>>> Director
>>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy
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>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>>>>>>> Tommy
>>>>>>>>>>
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