Re: Victory! Senate Repeals ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’, Despite 31 Republican No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt

oh, yeah!!!!  And you said he was Marx. 

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Nah.

On 12/23/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, Tommy, Those quotes are from OBAMA.
>
> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Karl Marx, but I am not a Marxist.
>>
>> On 12/23/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Damn TommyTomTom,
>> >
>> > It is a PUBLIC FORUM. That means it is a DEMOCRATIC FORUM where
>> > everybody
>> is
>> > allowed to chime in.
>> >
>> > You never did answer that (or for that matter....ANY) last question of
>> > mine....Who said those things... whose UNDENIABLE quotes are they ??
>> >
>> > Just to refresh your short term memory....
>> >
>> > Who said the below ??
>> >
>> > "The human being is in the most literal sense a political animal, not
>> merely
>> > a gregarious animal, but an animal which can individuate itself only in
>> the
>> > midst of society."
>> >
>> > "The history of all previous societies has been the history of class
>> > struggles."
>> >
>> > "In bourgeois (capitalist) society capital is independent and has
>> > individuality, while the living person is dependent and has no
>> > individuality."
>> >
>> > "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."
>> >
>> > "Democracy is the road to socialism."
>> >
>> > "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class
>> > struggles."
>> >
>> > "WORKERS OF ALL LANDS UNITE."
>> >
>> > "THE PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ONLY INTERPRETED THE WORLD IN VARIOUS WAYS - THE
>> > POINT HOWEVER IS TO CHANGE IT."
>> >
>> > "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class
>> > struggles."
>> >
>> > "The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Markie Mark-
>> >>
>> >> Who asked you to chime in?
>> >> I was addressing Keith's lie that he "never" called me an "asshole."
>> >> Please MYOB.
>> >>
>> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Here is the post by you that preceded your being called an "asshole".
>> >> Funny
>> >> > but it looks like you were the first to post a "smear" about Glenn
>> Becks
>> >> > rally about God and Country. Then you refused to answer any question
>> on
>> >> your
>> >> > position posting instead something entirely irrelevant to the
>> discussion
>> >> or
>> >> > the question posed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your answer was to say, when pinned back by your ears for an on topic
>> >> > response, that Keith was a Jackass.
>> >> >
>> >> > So yes, if you were a trial attorney, you would have just convicted
>> >> yourself
>> >> > for having thrown  the first punch.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Lil"FascistReichWingnutKeithieKeith-
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My memory is excellent and serves me well. I should have been a
>> >> >> trial
>> >> >> attorney.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1. Yes, you have indeed called me "asshole."  One of my posts
>> >> >> enraged
>> >> >> you so that you did in fact call me "asshole". This was some time
>> ago.
>> >> >> Perhaps you were drinking when you wrote this. Search your group
>> >> >> archives here:
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/politicalforum/browse_thread/thread/abda3fce2e182b23/aa056c8f40e95ac6?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=+asshole+keith+tommy#aa056c8f40e95ac6
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On September 1st, at 3:32 PM. you, "Keith in Tampa"  wrote, and I
>> >> >> quote,
>> >> "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> " Hey Asshole,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> First, if I choose to drink, it's my business.  Second, you are a
>> >> typical
>> >> >> Anti-American Marxist who when confronted with truth, can only
>> >> >> revert
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> nasty name calling and hateful spew.
>> >> >> Personally I love myself!  To know me is to love me!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your last line is typical of far left Marxists, and proof that you
>> >> >> don't
>> >> >> have a clue.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> G'Nite!! "
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2. Yes, you most certainly have. Search your group archives for
>> proof.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3. I am not a "moonbat" which is an offensive hateful insult and a
>> >> >> false
>> >> >> smear.
>> >> >>    I am an American human, and not a moon, a bat, or a "moonbat".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 4. and 5. Calling someone something they are not, like "Socialist"
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> indeed derogatory, a   personal attack,  an insult, and  a false
>> >> >> lie.
>> >> >> I am not a "Marrxist" "Socialist" or a "Communist".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 6. Wrong again. More lies hate and smear from Keith. Tommy is not
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> never has been "a very hateful, liar who smears those who don't
>> >> >> march
>> >> >> to your
>> >> >> socialist Anti-American rainbow agenda."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This thread proves that you are indeed a liar with a poor memory and
>> a
>> >> >> purveyour of false, hateful smear, Lil'KeitheKeith.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Lil"MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 1. I have never called you an asshole.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 2, I have never said half of the ridiculous claims that you have
>> made
>> >> >> here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 3. You are a Moonbat, your posts demonstrate that you don't read,
>> >> study,
>> >> >> or
>> >> >> > have an inkling about what is going on around you.   The fact that
>> >> >> > you
>> >> >> > cannot point to any of the claims that you make,  or support any
>> >> >> > of
>> >> your
>> >> >> > arguments with substantive, logical thought also is another
>> inkling.
>> >> >> prove
>> >> >> > that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 4. Calling a Socialist, a "Socialist" is not a derogatory term.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 5. Calling a Marxist, a "Marxist" is not derogatory either.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 6.  You are a very hateful, liar who smears those who don't march
>> to
>> >> >> > your
>> >> >> > socialist Anti-American rainbow agenda.  This thread proves that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Markie Mark-
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> After the Republican Obstructionists take control of Congress in
>> >> >> >> January, I predict that very little will get passed. Their
>> >> >> >> primary
>> >> >> >> un-American objective is to make The President of The United
>> States
>> >> >> >> fail.  Watch and see.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Most, yes; and I read it all... as do MOST posters on this
>> >> >> >> > forum...
>> >> >> >> except
>> >> >> >> > you. As long as gay equality (NOT rights) is tied to
>> immigration,
>> >> >> >> > budget,
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> > anything else that is slightly distasteful it will NOT pass.
>> >> >> >> > The day it is introduced as a sole and separate issue it will
>> >> >> >> > pass.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Tommy News <
>> tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> No, I have not read the entire bill.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Are you aware that most legislation before Congress almost
>> always
>> >> >> >> >> has
>> >> >> >> >> unrelated amendments and attachments?
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> On 12/23/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > Tommy,
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > A simple question..... Have you ever read any of the
>> >> >> >> >> > proposed
>> >> DOMA
>> >> >> >> >> > repeal
>> >> >> >> >> > legislation and all the "attachments" and "amendments" that
>> >> >> >> >> > have
>> >> >> >> forever
>> >> >> >> >> > been attached to to it ???
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > If and when....like DADT.... a simple single subject bill to
>> >> make
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> >> civil
>> >> >> >> >> > unions equal in every way is put forth it will pass.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Tommy,
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Your "list" proves that you never did understand what you
>> are
>> >> >> >> reading.
>> >> >> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> >> can be free to attack your "ideas" without that attack
>> having
>> >> >> >> anything
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> do
>> >> >> >> >> >> with you personally. You put yourself forward as "Tommy
>> News"
>> >> and
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> >> >> expect
>> >> >> >> >> >> (yet never get) a semblance of neutrality and or
>> >> >> >> >> >> objectivity
>> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> anything
>> >> >> >> >> >> connected with "News"; thus the plays on your chosen
>> moniker.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> As to the Marxist/Socialist claims... Obama made them
>> himself
>> >> in
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> >> >> auto-biography. For you to try to dismiss this is absurd.
>> >> Denial
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> river in Egypt.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Tommy News <
>> >> tommysnews@gmail.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Lil Keithie Kieth
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> I am very sorry that you are such a homophobic Reich
>> wingnut
>> >> >> >> fascist.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> To repeat again,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Don't you believe that when you called me "Asshole"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> "Moonbat"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> "Marxist" "Socialist"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> "Young Tommy" "Lil Tom Tom" "Ignorant" etc. you were being
>> >> >> hateful,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> smearing and hurting me,  and lying?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> I believe you are telling lies again.You have demonstrated
>> >> again
>> >> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> again that you do NOT hold "beliefs of equality for all"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> as
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> falsely
>> >> >> >> >> >>> claim.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose the repeal of DADT, which has ruined thousands
>> of
>> >> >> lives
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> careers.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose the repeal of DOMA, which discriminates against
>> >> >> legally
>> >> >> >> >> >>> married same sex couples who only want equal Federal
>> marriage
>> >> >> >> benefits
>> >> >> >> >> >>> such as social security and joint tax returns, etc.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose Civil Marriage Equality for same sex couples.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Civil
>> >> >> >> Unions
>> >> >> >> >> >>> and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts
>> with
>> >> >> fewer
>> >> >> >> >> >>> benefits and rights.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You oppose UAFA, and favor tearing loving same sex
>> >> >> >> >> >>> families
>> >> >> >> >> >>> apart
>> >> >> >> >> >>> through deportation.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You appear to falsely believe that being gay is a choice
>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> lifestyle, which it is not.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You believe that all gays are flamboyant chaps wearing
>> cross
>> >> >> >> dressing
>> >> >> >> >> >>> exhibitionist sex fiends, which most are not. Most dress
>> >> better
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> more conservatively than you do. Many are chaste and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> celebate.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> You, Keith, by your own admissions, are a prejudiced
>> >> >> >> >> >>> misguided
>> >> >> >> >> >>> misinformed homophobic Reich wingnut bigot with a dirty
>> mind.
>> >> >> Yes,
>> >> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> are.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> On 12/23/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > How, or why would you make such a slanderous statement
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > as
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > that?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > Can
>> >> >> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > point to something that would make you say such a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > hateful
>> >> lie
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> smear
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > against my person?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > Either point to a post, with the quote, or make an
>> apology.
>> >> >>  One
>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > other,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > KeithInTampa
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> > On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Tommy News <
>> >> >> >> tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> Keith does not champion gays as equals.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> He sees them as second class citizens.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> On 12/22/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > Tommy,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > Where is the need to champion ANY group when you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > champion
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> >> >>> equals
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> ??
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> > On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tommy News <
>> >> >> >> >> tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Keith-
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Although you flippantly state that "Yea,  I am an
>> >> arrogant
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> asshole",
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> you are in fact a misguided homophobe, as you have
>> >> >> >> demonstrated
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> clearly in your anti-gay statements in these groups.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> I suggest that you make youself a New Year's
>> resolution
>> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> become
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> ally, champion, and advocate for your oppressed gay
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> friends
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> members, as other Republicans have done.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Merry Christmas.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On 12/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Hey Wayne!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > How do ya think stereotypes get started?  Any
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > truth
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > them?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Hey Vince!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Well, the last thing I wanted to come across as,
>> was
>> >> >> >> >> >>> condescending!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Yea,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>  I
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > am an arrogant asshole, but usually a pretty
>> friendly
>> >> >> >> asshole!
>> >> >> >> >> >>>  Nope,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > pacifying anyone,  ya wanna hear the truth?  Come
>> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > over
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> >> >>> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > shed
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > the light for ya!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Good to see ya, and Merry Christmas!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > KeithInDC
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:03 PM, vince brackney
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > <vincebrackney@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> You know it isn't really worth the effort to get
>> >> Keith
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> see
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> other
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> side of the coin. Nothing more condescending than
>> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> claims
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> are not prejudice and then make the statements
>> that
>> >> he
>> >> >> >> does.
>> >> >> >> >> It
>> >> >> >> >> >>> like
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> saying
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I have gay friends so I am not a hater, when
>> really
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> just
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> pacifying
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> us.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> He is really saying these things based on his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> experience
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> years
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> ago,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I suspect that was before DADT was even in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> existence.
>> >> >>  He
>> >> >> >> has
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> opinion
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> just
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> like everyone else. And everyone has the right to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> or
>> >> >> >> hers
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> own
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> opinion.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> just wish it wasn't aired in this group.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I am very thankful for the straight friends I do
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> have
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> truly
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> prejudice and except me for who I am. Wish we had
>> >> more
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> them
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> world.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:26 PM, wayne berry <
>> >> >> >> >> >>> whitenoiz1@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> oh god, keith, i love ya! but do not tell me
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> that
>> >> you
>> >> >> >> really
>> >> >> >> >> >>> can't
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> see
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> forest for the trees?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> heterosexuality represents 90% of the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> population.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> fact
>> >> >> >> if
>> >> >> >> >> i
>> >> >> >> >> >>> am
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> carrying a CD by madonna in my rainbow colored
>> >> purse,
>> >> >> no
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> >>> ever
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> suspects
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i'm gay! no one suspects my husband is bisexual
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> even
>> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> he
>> >> >> >> >> >>> says
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> judas
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> priest is his favorite metal band! because most
>> >> people
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> straight,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> assumption both gays AND straights operate under
>> is
>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> when
>> >> >> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> meet
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> man
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you recognize that odds are pretty good he likes
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> ladies
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -
>> >> >> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> got
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> 9
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 10 chance and rarely will you be wrong. except
>> when
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> ARE
>> >> >> >> >> >>> wrong.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypes exist because in any group you can
>> name
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> often
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> people
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> who fit certain ideas that are recognized - some
>> >> jews
>> >> >> ARE
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> cheap,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> some
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> white
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> people ARE incredibly "uptight", some gays DO
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> prefer
>> >> >> >> flowers
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> football...
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> but within any stereotype there are plenty
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> enough
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> dissonances
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> reveal
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotype for what it is... a careless and
>> casual
>> >> >> >> painting
>> >> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> large
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of people as being all the same, when indeed
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> none
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> us
>> >> >> >> are.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> no one has to say they are straight because
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> there
>> >> are
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> many
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you can scarcely imagine people who are not like
>> >> you.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> my jobs in kitchens are not as regimented as the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> military,
>> >> >> >> >> yet
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> there's
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> still a certain amount of macho involved in the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> job!
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> here
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> thing... in all but the most antiseptic
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> atmospheres,
>> >> >> >> someone
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> gonna
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> ask
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you about your life outside the job. and there
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> nothing
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> sounds
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> worse
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> than saying you don't have a girlfriend or a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> wife
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> or
>> >> >> even
>> >> >> >> >> just
>> >> >> >> >> >>> some
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> girl
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> bang now and again, than saying, "oh, i'm sorry
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> don't
>> >> >> >> talk
>> >> >> >> >> >>> about
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> personal
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stuff like that." or weirder if you constantly
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> avoid
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> question.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> when
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> there is no penalty for telling the truth you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >> much
>> >> >> >> less
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> freak
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> when
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> answer truthfully, "well, no i don't have a wife
>> or
>> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> girlfriend...
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i'm
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> gay
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> and i have a husband/boyfriend... ' or even,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> "i'm
>> >> not
>> >> >> >> seeing
>> >> >> >> >> >>> anyone
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> 'special' right now, but i'm doing OK, if ya
>> catch
>> >> my
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> drift."
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i mean on one hand being gay informs a lot of my
>> >> life
>> >> >> (my
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> tastes
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> somewhat different from yours, observably,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> aren't
>> >> >> they?)
>> >> >> >> but
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> most
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> mundane aspects of life - the need for personal
>> >> >> >> connection,
>> >> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> need
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> eat,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the need to have some sort of meaning in your
>> work?
>> >> >> it's
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> same
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> straight guy as a gay guy.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> i really can't understand your need to cling to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> fairly
>> >> >> >> >> >>> outdated
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> concept
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> of what a gay man is when you are the moderator
>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> gives
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> every evidence of a gay men who are far from
>> those
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> stereotypical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> pictures.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Keith In Tampa
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> <keithintampa@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Hello Mustang!  Good to see ya!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> First, I knew, when I wrote my initial missive,
>> >> that
>> >> >> >> there
>> >> >> >> >> >>> would
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> at
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> least one thinking, "common sense" kinda guy
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> (<Grin!!>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> asshole!!)
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> would
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> call me on my last missive!  Touche'!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>   It is in fact a hard concept that I was
>> >> attempting
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> frame,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> you
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> are correct....Sort of.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Yes, as I stated, the military cultivates a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "Macho"
>> >> >> >> image,
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> it
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> hard
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> to not separate the Macho Man who is the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> ladies'
>> >> man.
>> >> >> >>  This
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> direct
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> conflict with my statement that the military
>> does
>> >> not
>> >> >> >> allow
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> for
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> those
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> wear their sexual identity on their sleeve.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> There are a number of men in the military who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> do
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> in
>> >> >> fact
>> >> >> >> >> play
>> >> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "cassanova" role.  I will admit that to a
>> degree,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> this
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> is
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> double
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> standard
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> and in conflict with my premise.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Having said that, in my 53 years, I have yet to
>> >> meet
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> Heterosexual,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> identifies himself as a, "Heterosexual".  That
>> his
>> >> >> whole
>> >> >> >> >> life
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> revolves
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> around being, "Heterosexual".   His politics;
>>  his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> social
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> life;
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >>  his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> mannerisms;  his diet;  his wardrobe; his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> decor;
>> >> his
>> >> >> >> >> passions,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> likes,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> dislikes, hatreds, loves, and yes, sexual
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> appetite,
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> >> all
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> defined
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> by
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> his
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> "Straightness".
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Please point this/these individual(s) out to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> me.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Therein lies the distinction, and no, nothing
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> about
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> repeal
>> >> >> >> >> >>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> DADT
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> will change the rejection by the United States
>> >> >> Military
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> this
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> one
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> major
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> issue, of Gay men or women who choose to defend
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> our
>> >> >> >> Nation.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>  Just
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> like
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> their
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> straight counterparts, they  cannot and will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> be
>> >> >> able
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> broadcast
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> their
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> sexual proclivities, as is done so much in the
>> Gay
>> >> >> >> >> community,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> maybe
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> some Heterosexual social circles;  (Like the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Nudist/Swapping
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> crews).
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> KeithInDC
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Mustang <
>> >> >> >> >> >>> mustangspnkr@yahoo.com
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>  Keith,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> While I agree with many, if not most, things
>> you
>> >> say
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> >> >> >>> disagree
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> couple.  This being one of them.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> "The military does not allow for ANYONE, and
>> this
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> include
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear
>> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> sexuality
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> publicly.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> "
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Heterosexuals already do wear their sexuality
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> preference
>> >> >> >> >> >>> openly.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Are you saying that everyone will suddenly be
>> >> >> forbidden
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> any
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> opportunity
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> to display or even have pictures of their
>> family
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> friends?
>> >> >> >> >> >>>  No
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> one
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be allowed to admit they write, call, or
>> discuss
>> >> any
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> communications
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> with
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their wives, husbands, girlfriends or
>> boyfriends?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> No
>> >> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> allowed to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> talk about how things are going at home or
>> plans
>> >> >> after
>> >> >> >> >> >>> discharge?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> While on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> leave, no one can invite a male or female
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> military
>> >> >> >> friend
>> >> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> spend
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Holidays with a spouse, or to openly have two
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Dads
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or
>> >> >> >> two
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Moms?
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The Israeli military has not gone to hell in a
>> >> hand
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> basket.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>  They
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> no problem with both genders or gay people
>> being
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> drafted
>> >> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> then
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> working
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> cohesively.  It's the same as acceptance of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> blacks
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> women
>> >> >> >> >> >>> was
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> decades
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> ago.  Much ado about nothing.  I am certain
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> military
>> >> >> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> able
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> keep their minds focused on the tasks
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> assigned.
>> >> >>  Anyone
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> qualified
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> should have the right to apply to defend our
>> >> nation.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Absolute
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> 100%
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuality should not be a requirement.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Nothing
>> >> >> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> change.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Mustang
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Bigotry disguised as morality is still bigotry
>> >> just
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> >> an
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> outhouse
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> marble columns is still an outhouse. - D.A.
>> >> Ridgely
>> >> >> >> >> (whomever
>> >> >> >> >> >>> he
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> is)
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>  ------------------------------
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *From:* Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *To:* historical-pictoral@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 9:18:24 AM
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Historical Pictorial] Victory!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Senate
>> >> >> >> >> Repeals
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> 'Don't
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Ask, Don't Tell', Despite 31 Republican No
>> Votes
>> >> and
>> >> >> >> John
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> McCain's
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Fillibuster Attempt
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> No question, I see this issue from a different
>> >> >> >> perspective
>> >> >> >> >> >>> than I
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> believe most do here in HP.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> I don't see the DADT repeal as being all that
>> >> >> >> significant,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> although
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> I agree with Rob and his assessment,   I also
>> >> think
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> that
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> there
>> >> >> >> >> >>> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> major
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> component to all of this, that Rob, or anyone
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> else
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in
>> >> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> group
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> has
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> touched
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> upon.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military does not allow for ANYONE, and
>> this
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >> >> include
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, to wear
>> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> sexuality
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> openly,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> or to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> broadcast their sexual likes or dislikes
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> publicly.
>> >> >> In
>> >> >> >> >> other
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> words,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> NO
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> ONE
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in the military can be or will be identified
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> by
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their
>> >> >> >> >> sexual
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> proclivities or
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual identification, which is a common
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> factor
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> in
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> Gay
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> community.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> This
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is where so many in the Gay community are
>> >> mistaken.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> The military will boot out a service member
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> who
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> an
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> admitted
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> adulterer. Service members who are into any
>> type
>> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sado-masochistic activities and make them
>> public
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> summarily
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> discharged.  Those service members who are
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> into
>> >> >> >> "swinging"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> have
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> multiple
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> sexual partners, and who make that aspect of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> lives
>> >> >> >> >> >>> public,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> shown the door and discharged.     All
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> branches
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> service
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> condone any member who bases his or her
>> lifestyle
>> >> >> upon
>> >> >> >> >> their
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> sexual
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> identiy.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Nothng has changed.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Just as important, the military does in fact
>> have
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >> embrace
>> >> >> >> >> >>> a
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> "Macho"
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> image.  This is requisite for combat. Yes,
>> there
>> >> are
>> >> >> >> women
>> >> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> >> >>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> service
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> but not in combat arms. The lifestyle is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> tough,
>> >> >> rugged
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> most
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> of
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> time
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> uncomfortable. The stereotypical Gay male will
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> be
>> >> >> >> >> >>> condoned.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> The
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> combat
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> units of the Army and Marines are all male and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> all
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> males
>> >> >> >> >> >>> talk
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> about
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> doing their girl friends as they charge the
>> enemy
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> >> cigars
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> hanging
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> out
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> their mouths; not penises.   This is the image
>> >> that
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> military
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> cultivates.  It is good for morale, it is good
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> for
>> >> >> unit
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> cohesiveness,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> most importantly, it is but one component of
>> what
>> >> >> makes
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> military
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> mightiest in the world.   Again, this image is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> not
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> going
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> to
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> change.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web;
>> >> >> focusing
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well
>> as
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group
>> at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>   --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> which is the premiere men's forum on the web;
>> >> >> focusing
>> >> >> >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> and discussions of contemporary issues as well
>> as
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> For options and help, please visit the group
>> at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> >> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> which
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> is the premiere men's forum on the web;
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> focusing
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> on
>> >> >> >> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as
>> our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> For options and help, please visit the group
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - wayne.
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> goto> http://waynes-nude-musicians.blogspot.com/
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>  http://blueguitar.tumblr.com/
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>  --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> >> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> which
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing
>> on
>> >> >> >> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> discussions of contemporary issues as well as
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> our
>> >> >> >> chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> which
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> is the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing
>> on
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> discussions of contemporary issues as well as our
>> >> >> >> chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Thanks for participating in the Google Group,
>> >> Historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Pictorial,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > which
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > the premiere men's forum on the web; focusing on
>> >> >> historical
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > media,
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > discussions of contemporary issues as well as our
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > chronicled
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > past!
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > For options and help, please visit the group at:
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > http://groups.google.com/group/Historical-Pictoral
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a
>> time.
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>> >> >> >> >> >> Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> > Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >> >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
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>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day,
>> >> >> >> >> Tommy
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>> >> >> >> >> For options & help see
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>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > --
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>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >>  Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> >> >> Have a great day,
>> >> >> >> Tommy
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
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>> >> >> >> For options & help see
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>> >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> >> Have a great day,
>> >> >> Tommy
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
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>> >> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
>> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
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>> > --
>> > Mark M. Kahle H.
>> >
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>> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
>> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>>
>>
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>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>>
>> --
>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.
>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
>>
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>>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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