wait untill Democrats re-take the house for either, which could happen
in 2012 or 2014.
The real prize will be the American Equality Bill for civil rights,
(AEB) a proposed amendment to the civil rights act of 1964 to include
sexual orientation and gender identity.
On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Tommy,
>
> I think I'm starting to see it.
>
> A. I am neither crediting nor blaming either party for DADT, or the
> law that forced it. It is the LEFT that blames republicans, and
> history just doesn't bear that out. It is simply NOT a left v right
> issue. Never has been, never will be
>
> B. I DO credit Bill Clinton for DADT, and have said, "it was the best
> that he could do", many times. The FACT is that an EXTREMELY dem
> congress veto proofed the recodification of 10 U.S.C. § 654(b),
> forcing Clinton's hand on DADT.
>
> If ya wanna blame republicans now, why not dems then? Especially
> considering there's a boatload still there now?
>
> If ya wanna blame POTUS's based on party, then explain why military
> expulsions for sexual orientation skyrocketed under Clinton, and
> plummeted under Bush.
>
> Again, its not dem v republican, or left v right. We just fixed it,
> lets tackle DOMA next - and if you wanna blame republicans for that
> one, prepare to eat your shorts
> :-)
>
> I enjoy our debates, sir
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 12:19 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greg-
>>
>> All votes, from all parties, count twoard passage of all Congressional
>> bills and measures. Always have. 2 Republicans plus 2 Democrats plus
>> one Independant = 5 votes.
>>
>> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Tom, the minority party can't veto proof a ham sandwich.
>>
>> > And Clinton promised gays in the military a full year before he would
>> > know Colin Powell if he were standing on his chest.
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 12:09 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Greg-
>>
>> >> I believe the gay ban was veto-proofed by both Republicans and
>> >> Democrats.
>> >> Can you research this and get the exact vote break downs and party
>> >> affiliations of all Congress members at that time?
>>
>> >> You can find this in The Congressional Record.
>>
>> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Thats nice.
>>
>> >> > Clinton promised to allow gays to serve in the military before he was
>> >> > president and before he ever met Colin Powell.
>>
>> >> > THEN the democrats veto proofed the ban.
>>
>> >> > DADT was a CAMPAIGN promise, and the best he could do. His EO
>> >> > overrode DEMOCRATS!
>>
>> >> > On Dec 22, 11:27 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Wrong.
>>
>> >> >> I have a personal signed letter from Colin Powell which he wrote to
>> >> >> me
>> >> >> stating that he was working out a "Compromise" in 1993 as proof.
>>
>> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > tom, it was necessary because the DEMOCRAT congress had just
>> >> >> > recodified the BAN on gays in the military - VETO PROOF.
>>
>> >> >> > And your bit about Powell and republicans convincing Clinton is a
>> >> >> > heap
>> >> >> > of steaming shit. Clinton CAMPAIGNED on it!!!
>>
>> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:14 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> I do not think DADT was necessary at all.
>> >> >> >> Colin Powell and the Republicans did, and President Clinton
>> >> >> >> agreed
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> the DADT "compromise", which he later said was a mistake.
>>
>> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> > WHY was DADT necessary Tommy?
>>
>> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 11:07 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> Greg-
>>
>> >> >> >> >> DADT was a compromise brokered by Republican Colin Powell, who
>> >> >> >> >> convinced President Clinton it was the best way forward.
>> >> >> >> >> Obviously,
>> >> >> >> >> the misguided policy failed, ruining thousands of lives and
>> >> >> >> >> careers,
>> >> >> >> >> and it has now been repealed.
>> >> >> >> >> Puting the blame on Democrats does not pass muster. Your
>> >> >> >> >> twisted
>> >> >> >> >> pretzel glue logic will not work.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > How bout the OVERWHELMING number of democrats who made DADT
>> >> >> >> >> > necessary
>> >> >> >> >> > in the first place? Whole bunch still there.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > Ya really wanna play the, its a republican thing, card mate?
>> >> >> >> >> > Cuz
>> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> > hundreds, just became dems.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:51 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> Sure, why not. Also vote out all the Republicans in the
>> >> >> >> >> >> house
>> >> >> >> >> >> who
>> >> >> >> >> >> voted against repeal. Hundreds of them.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/22/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the
>> >> >> >> >> >> > House
>> >> >> >> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >> >> >> > voted
>> >> >> >> >> >> > against DADT [repeal]??
>> >> >> >> >> >> > --------------------------------
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Uh oh!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > Tom?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > On Dec 22, 10:27 am, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Does the same go for the 26 Democratic members of the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> House
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> voted
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> against DADT??
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Tommy News
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> <tommysn...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > I disagree.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 31 Republican Senators voted against stand alone DADT
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > repeal.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > They
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > have now blatantly exposed their stand alone
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > homophobia.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > John
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > McCain,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > who attempted to filibuster DADT repeal, is the worst
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > lot.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > We
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > must now vote all 31 of them out of office.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 12/18/10, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Like we told you a long time ago. Bring it up by
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > itself
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > it
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > will
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > pass. Instead you kept trying to blame the votes
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Omnibus
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > earmark bill on the DADT alone. Someday you might
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > learn
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > something
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > but
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > I kinda doubt it. Now maybe you will accept that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > some
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > votes
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > against the Omnibus krep bill were against something
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > other
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > than
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > DADT.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Although I doubt that too. You are far too wedded
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > blaming
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > anything
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that goes against what you want as being homophobic
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > alone.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Obviously
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > that is not so.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > On 12/18/2010 09:43 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Victory! Senate Repeals 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell',
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Despite
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 31
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Republican
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> No Votes and John McCain's Fillibuster Attempt.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> This
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> is a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> long
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> overdue
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> victory for Civil Rights equality. Repeal of DOMA
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Passige
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ENDA
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> and UAFA, and introduction of The American Equality
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Bill
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> for
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Civil
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Rights are next.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate Repeals 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Drew Angerer/The New York Times
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senator Joseph I. Lieberman gave the thumbs up as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Majority
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Leader
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Harry Reid spoke at a press conference after the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> "don't
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ask,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> don't
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> tell" vote.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> By CARL HULSE
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> nk WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday voted to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> strike
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> down
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay men and lesbians serving openly in the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> military,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> bringing
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> close a 17-year struggle over a policy that forced
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> thousands
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Americans from the ranks and caused others to keep
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> secret
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> sexual
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> orientation.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clockwise from left, Senators Mark Udall, Joseph I.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Lieberman,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Susan
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Collins and Kirsten Gillibrand after a news
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> conference
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> repeal
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of "don't ask, don't tell."
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> By a vote of 65 to 31, with eight Republicans
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> joining
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Democrats,
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Senate approved and sent to President Obama a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> repeal
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Clinton-era law, known as "don't ask, don't tell,"
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> policy
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> critics
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> said amounted to government-sanctioned
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> discrimination
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> treated
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> gay, lesbian and bisexual troops as second-class
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> citizens.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Mr. Obama hailed the action, which fulfills his
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> pledge
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> reverse
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ban, and said it was "time to close this chapter in
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> our
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> history."
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> "As commander in chief, I am also absolutely
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> convinced
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> that
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> making
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> this change will only underscore the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> professionalism
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> our
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> troops
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the best-led and best-trained fighting force the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> world
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> has
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ever
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> known," he said in a statement after the Senate, on
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> a
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> preliminary
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> 63-to-33 vote, beat back Republican efforts to
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> block
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> final
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> action
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> on
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the repeal bill.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> The vote marked a historic moment that some equated
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> with
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> end
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> of
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> racial segregation in the military.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> It followed an
>>
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