Tommy,
I understand the meaning of the scripture that you have referenced and quoted.
There is no disrespect intended here, but I understand more than you obviously have fathomed and/or comprehend, with regard to the concept of the Holy Trinity, (e.g.; "The Father; The Son; The Holy Ghost); and the importance of the Four Gospels.
Although the Holy Trinity may appear simplistic, easy to interpret and conceive; the Holy Trinity is not all that forthright or apparent. Clearly, you are missing the purpose and meaning. This is quite obvious to any Christian who does understand the concept of the Holy Trinity. Again, I mean no disresepct when I say this.
Quickly and not to be redundant, I reference the article that I sent, specifically the first four short paragraphs which points out:
We have been directed by God to "love thy neighbour as thyself!" So why have Liberals directed our government to take over this role instead of doing it themselves? Jesus did not direct his people to "Ask Rome to do it for you!"Christ told us to take care of the poor. Christ did not tell us to have our government, its politicians, and its bureaucrats take care of the poor. My recollection is that Christ did not think highly of the government, the religious leaders, the politicians, the tax collectors, and the bureaucrats of his day.Efforts to sanitize and legitimize the evils of Socialism by suggesting that Socialism is the answer to Christ's admonition that we take care of the poor should greatly offend Christians and people of all faiths.Would Christ approve of the Left trying to keep whole classes of people on welfare, poor, uneducated, and without hope? Keeping people enslaved in dependency on politicians does not show compassion. It is an evil crime against humanity.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Keithie-Obviously, you did not read the sripture which I posted here.Take the time to Read this short exerpt, and it's message to thepublicans, and think hard and long about it's meaning:The Word of Jesus from Mark 5:which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the"I say unto you, Love your enemies, blessthem that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for themchildren of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun torise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and onthe unjust. 46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye?do not even the publicans the same? 47And if ye salute your brethrenonly, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?">> > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>On 12/17/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:> Tommy,>> Obviously, (like usual) you didn't read the article that I posted. If> anything, the article should have made you stop, think, and look inward. If> you would have read the article, you would have some interpersonal> questions. You might not agree with everything contained within the> article, but if you would have stopped and read it, the article would have> caused anyone with a logical thought process to stop and think. I believe> that you are an intelligent thoughtful individual, you are just hell bent on> revising history and getting your militant Gay agenda crammed down> Americans' throats.>> Take the time to read the article Tom. You don't always have to be on stage> here, slinging out rhetorical dogma and mimmicking the militant far left's> spin. On occasion, it wouldn't hurt to look at other perspectives, and use> the common sense that God gave to you! Stop and think!>>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:>>> Wrong., Keith.>>>> Jesus was a Progressive Liberal, and he may have been gay or bi.>>>>>> On 12/16/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:>> > Christ is a Conservative>> >>> >>> > Some on the Left have suggested that Jesus is a Liberal. The basic>> > logic>> of>> > their Progressive assertion is that Socialist wealth redistribution>> fulfills>> > Christ's admonition to take care of the poor.>> >>> >>> >>> > We have been directed by God to "love thy neighbour as thyself!" So>> > why>> > have Liberals directed our government to take over this role instead of>> > doing it themselves? Jesus did not direct his people to "Ask Rome to do>> it>> > for you!">> >>> >>> >>> > Christ told us to take care of the poor. Christ did not tell us to have>> our>> > government, its politicians, and its bureaucrats take care of the poor.>> My>> > recollection is that Christ did not think highly of the government, the>> > religious leaders, the politicians, the tax collectors, and the>> bureaucrats>> > of his day.>> >>> >>> >>> > Efforts to sanitize and legitimize the evils of Socialism by suggesting>> that>> > Socialism is the answer to Christ's admonition that we take care of the>> poor>> > should greatly offend Christians and people of all faiths.>> >>> >>> >>> > Would Christ approve of the Left trying to keep whole classes of people>> on>> > welfare, poor, uneducated, and without hope? Keeping people enslaved in>> > dependency on politicians does not show compassion. It is an evil crime>> > against humanity.>> >>> >>> >>> > It has been suggested that Christ's directive to the young rich ruler to>> > divest his property and follow Christ [as a disciple] somehow shows>> Christ>> > to be a Socialist. My understanding of Christ's disciples is that they>> left>> > their jobs, property, and even their families in order to dedicate>> > themselves fully to Christ. Being a disciple was a 24-7 job. If the>> young>> > rich man had property, the property would require his time and thought>> and>> > divert his attention from Christ and His teachings.>> >>> >>> >>> > Allowing our government to confiscate money and property for>> redistribution>> > does not equate with charitable giving. It does not relate even>> > remotely>> to>> > Christ's instructions to the young rich ruler whom He invited to be his>> > disciple. Christ directed the young ruler to give his money to the>> > poor. Christ>> > did not say he should give it to the Roman government for>> > redistribution.>> >>> > Rome cared little for the poor. Our current government cares little for>> the>> > poor. Our poor are of value to Liberal politicians only when they can>> vote>> > and when they can be used as human shields to advance the consolidation>> of>> > Liberal political power.>> >>> >>> >>> > Members of our Congress and our President should carefully note the>> > admonition by Christ regarding the difficulty of a rich man [presumably>> also>> > a rich woman] getting into Heaven. As members of Congress confiscate>> > [steal], redistribute, and spend trillions of dollars each year to buy>> > votes, they might want to consider divesting themselves of the control>> > of>> > much of this money.>> >>> >>> >>> > It seems lying and the bearing of false witness are also observed in our>> > Congress, in our White House, and on the political Left. We have>> recently>> > seen an increase in the activities of several on the Left in our>> government>> > to aid and abet greed, envy, and covetous behavior. This has caused>> > many>> to>> > demand the property of others. Such helps us to better understand why>> many>> > in our government oppose the display of the Ten Commandments.>> >>> >>> >>> > It is the job of our government to protect people from the harm of>> others.>> > The>> > rich should not oppress the poor. The poor should not oppress the rich.>> > Our>> > government should not oppress, use, or abuse either the rich or the poor>> >>> >>> >>> > I do not recall Christ equating paying taxes with giving a donation or>> > caring for the poor. I do not recall that tax collectors were looked>> upon>> > as good people in the Bible. The last time I checked, taxes in the>> United>> > States were not voluntary.>> >>> >>> >>> > Our Founding Fathers wisely realized federal government oversight would>> > politicize our government and harm those for whom the government would>> > pretend to provide. Much of what our government spends money on has>> nothing>> > to do with charity. Welfare has become a means of enslaving people in a>> > dependency on politicians rather than helping them to achieve and to>> > prosper.>> >>> >>> >>> > All welfare programs should be returned to local communities with the>> > oversight of the individual states. This will remove much temptation to>> do>> > evil from Washington, and many souls might be saved.>> >>> >>> >>> > Are we to think Christ is behind the efforts of the Left to ban prayer>> and>> > religion in our schools, our government, and other areas of the public>> > square? Are we to think Christ is pushing to have crosses removed from>> > public view, "Under God" from our Pledge of Allegiance, and "In God We>> > Trust" from our money?>> >>> >>> >>> > What about global warming and climate change? Is God in control of the>> > weather or is man? Would God provide us with massive amounts of fossil>> > fuels if He did not intend for us to use these resources? Over the past>> 130>> > years, humans have used less than 5% of all the oil reserves currently>> known>> > to exist. God has given us and enormous amount of natural resources.>> >>> >>> >>> > Where should we think Christ comes down on abortion? Christ thought>> > children were very important. Christ also showed us that the care of>> > the>> > mentally and physically disabled, like Terri Schiavo, and the elderly is>> > also important.>> >>> >>> >>> > Are we to think Christ believes in Darwinian Evolution? He would not>> > support the Darwinian eugenics employed by the Nazis.>> >>> >>> >>> > What about the killing of tens of millions of the poor by using>> > falsified>> > "scientific" data to conveniently ban DDT? Did not God tell us in>> Genesis>> > to subdue the Earth and to make it a better place for man and beast?>> > Eliminating>> > malaria, dengue, polio, small pox, and other dreaded diseases is certain>> a>> > worthy effort in subduing the Earth. DDT was on its way to eliminating>> > malaria and dengue, when the Left stopped the efforts.>> >>> >>> >>> > Did God direct us to subdue the Earth or to leave everything as we found>> it?>> > It seems to me God's directive to us is to work hard to make the Earth>> > better than we found it. Genesis>> > 1:26-28<>> >is>> > worth reading.>> >>> >>> >>> > I do not think Christ would be happy with those who allow millions of>> acres>> > of our beautiful forests to burn each year because some on the Far Left>> > think humans should not be allowed to manage and care for our nation's>> > property. What of the tens of millions of animals that are killed and>> > injured each year in forest fires?>> >>> >>> >>> > Christ did not>> > evict<>> >the>> > moneychangers from the Temple because he was a Socialist who opposed>> > Capitalist moneychangers. The Temple problem was not the economic>> activity>> > or the merchandise. The problem was that the economic activity was>> taking>> > place in the Temple itself, a sacred place not intended to be a>> marketplace.>> > As Christ said, "Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an>> > house of merchandise." The priests of the Temple were probably not>> > happy>> > with this as they presumably received a sizeable portion of the money>> > earned.>> >>> >>> >>> > The leaders of the Temple hated Christ because He threatened their power>> and>> > wealth. The current hatred of Conservatives and Christ by Socialists is>> > because Conservatives challenge the power and money of the Left.>> >>> >>> >>> > There is no indication that Christ loved, prayed for, or blessed Satan.>> > Satan is not my neighbor. Satan should not be your neighbor.>> >>> >>> >>> > Satan is in another category beyond enemy. I believe some people of>> > Evil>> > are also in that same category. These people would include terrorists>> who>> > purposely kill innocent civilians. Persons such as Stalin, Hitler,>> Saddam>> > Hussein, and others who enthusiastically kill and torture others would>> also>> > be in this group. Our job is not to judge the hearts of such persons but>> to>> > kill and incarcerate them and let God sort out the final judgment issues>> >>> >>> >>> > The obligation of our government is to protect us. It is not up to our>> > government to reward and support one politically correct class at the>> > expense of the politically incorrect people who work hard and achieve>> much.>> >>> >>> >>> > Poverty hurts everyone, especially the poor. As such, is not the>> > willful>> > destruction of our prosperity by our Socialist government at best a>> > crime>> > against humanity and at worst an evil and treasonous act? I do not>> > think>> > Christ would approve of the current efforts of our government to>> willfully>> > destroy jobs, close down companies, and massively increase poverty both>> at>> > home and abroad.>> >>> >>> >>> > The Left Continues to Link Christ to Liberal Issues.>> >>> >>> >>> > Barack Obama has tried to>> > characterize<>> > Sermon on the Mount as an endorsement of homosexuality and same-sex>> > unions. However, there is no mention of homosexuality in the Sermon on>> the>> > Mount.>> >>> >>> >>> > Some have suggested that since the food that resulted from Christ's>> blessing>> > of the five barley loaves and two fish was given without cost, this>> somehow>> > shows that Christ was a Socialist.>> >>> > One can miss the fact that the miracle of feeding the five thousand was>> the>> > primary message of this Scripture. One can also miss the fact that one>> or>> > more people worked to produce and provide the five barley loaves and the>> two>> > fish. The boy freely gave the loaves and the fish to Christ. A Roman>> tax>> > collector did not take the loaves and fish. Roman politicians and>> > bureaucrats did not give the loaves and fish to Christ for>> redistribution.>> > It>> > was entirely a Free Market happening.>> >>> >>> >>> > This was an example of people producing goods that were freely donated.>> No>> > Roman politicians benefited from the transaction.>> >>> >>> >>> > Conservatives cleaned up the area after the meal and documented their>> > cleanup efforts in Scripture. Liberals would most likely have left a>> mess>> > on the ground.>> >>> >>> >>> > The Ten Commandments are unquestionably Conservative. The simple proof>> is>> > the continued Liberal attack on the Ten Commandments and the>> Judeo-Christian>> > foundations of our nation.>> >>> > "Lazy hands bring poverty, but hard-working hands bring riches.">> Proverbs>> > 10:4>> >>> > -->> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.>> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> >>> > * Visit our other community at>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>>> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.>>>>>> -->> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.>> Have a great day,>> Tommy>>>> -->> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>>>> * Visit our other community at>> * It's active and moderated. 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