Tuesday, September 7, 2010

Re: Nat Hentoff on the Ground Zero Mosque

I don't have any personal truck or baggage with the Mosque issue,
either for or against it. Can you say the same?
It seems to me that, so far, those trying to build it have met all
legal hurdles, whether they meet all of the financial or whatever
other "ordinary" hurdles that remain is for them to accomplish, if
they can.
I went back and read the Nat Hentoff article from Jewish World
Review. I hope we can at least agree that "they" are "extraordinarily"
against giving the Mosque and its builders a fair and equal
opportunity at accomplishing their goal... You tell me, Dick
Thompson... why (for what reasons) do you say that Nat Hentoff and
Jewish World Review write or state that they are aginst the Mosque....
or, to put a finer point on it.....Why would you apparently prefer a
Greek Orthodox Church to a Mosque, there?

nominal9

On Sep 4, 5:31 pm, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>      I fail to see why you are so involved in the Mosque question.  
> Given what you claim then you should first of all be striving to get
> permission for the Greek Orthodox church in that area to be rebuilt
> first since it was in existence for several generations in that location
> until destroyed by the Muslims and 9/11.   Apparently that means nothing
> to you.   Neither does the fact that the people trying to build the
> mosque do not have funding nor do they, as they are legally required to
> do, have ownership and likelihood of ownership of the site they are
> trying to develop.   You do not seem to pay any attention to what the
> Imam has said in the past about Al Qaeda and the US and who to
> support.   You hear nothing from them about stopping the terrorist
> behavior of the extreme muslims.   For that matter you don't hear much
> from ANY muslims about stopping the terrorists.  You, nominal9, don't
> seem to think this is something that shold be pursued.  Instead you try
> to come up with some kitschy takeoff on your betters by far and then pat
> yourself on the back for being original.
>
> On 09/03/2010 01:21 PM, nominal9 wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think you are wrong, dick thompson, but it will take time to try to
> > explain it to you... if you are willing to hear it or credit it at all
> > from your end, that is.... which must be taken into consideration, as
> > well...
> > Anti-semitic? some have called me that..... I  happen to think that
> > every race or ethnicity (or whatever) is prone to its own number of
> > racist individuals..... I DO NOT EXCLUDE some Jews from the ranks of
> > the racists....I call the particular Racist Jews among the overall
> > group or number of Jews in general..... ZIONIST RACIST JEWS....
> > Many years ago, now I died a parody of the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance
> > to the Flag... I called it the Rush  Lmbaugh Pledge of Allegiance...
> > here's how it goes:
> > " pledge allegiange to the Star of David of the Zionist State of
> > Israel
> > and to the Racist Oligarchy for which it stands
> > One Kingdom under the ineffable Yahweh
> > Exlusive, with criminal license and prejudgment in favor just of
> > Jews."
>
> > When some hear this.... they wail... anti-Semite.... but hey, I say
> > (and am) just the opposite... I am anti-Racist....
> > Nice to meet you Dick Thompson
> > nominal9
>
> > PS... this is really old ground for me, that I get weary of having to
> > re-tread sometimes......but I just want to lay my cards on the table
> > for you, in the hopes of getting beyond all the usual buggaboos and
> > the rhetorical as well as  the propaganda feints and tricks....
>
> > On Sep 2, 1:25 pm, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
> >> As usual you are reading the point wrong.   Nobody is saying that MSNBC
> >> doing it is justified by your claim that Hentoff is doing it.   The
> >> point is that something is either wrong in its entirety or not wrong in
> >> its entirety when it comes to these points.   You want to selectively
> >> call dibs on Hentoff and then call anyone who does not believe as you do
> >> funny names and think you are beng witty.  fAIL!!  If something is
> >> wrong, point out where it is wrong and then point out also that it is
> >> wrong for others to do the same thing.  That is what you are missing.  
> >> YOu are against Hentoff and Jewish World Review and the reason is they
> >> don't believe as you do and therefore you have a name for them - and
> >> chances are it would be an antisemitic name.  And no, I am not Jewish.
>
> >> On 09/02/2010 12:57 PM, nominal9 wrote:>  Ohh.... It made perfect sense......Annointed one......
>
> >>> The trouble with"comparisons"... or similes... or metaphors is that
> >>> "one" should always be careful to "weigh " the terms of the proposed
> >>> comparison.... make sure that they actually do equal up......
> >>> Now, between Nat Heltoff and the Jewihh World review on the one side
> >>> of the scale as counterbalanced by MSNBC on the other.... frankly. I
> >>> would say that Nat and the Jewish World Review have a heavier
> >>> comparative load of bias or prejudice, especially on Middle East
> >>> issues.... Perhaps a more equal comparison would be Fox News as
> >>> weighed against MSNBC, there the load or bias or prejudice would
> >>> probably be a little  more balancing "left vs right" on both sides...
> >>> but the Middle East issue is a little funny..... it doesn't track
> >>> along strict political lines.....
>
> >>> Anyway.... let's get back to my own metaphorical .... "Jimmy can do it
> >>> but why can't I" ...rhetorical defense that I charge was adopted by
> >>> Dick Thompson. First, it is more a charge of "rhetorical device" used
> >>> than of a strict metaphor, in this instance, I think. The Mommy
> >>> implied reply is, "I don't care what Jimmy does.... it is wrong for
> >>> Jimmy to do it as well and Jimmy just doesn't have very good parents
> >>> that care enough for him or correct him"......
>
> >>> The trouble with "metaphorical or even this sort of "whiny ... they do
> >>> it, too... defense is that the underlying problem is that something
> >>> that is "wrong" is justified  by at best another "wrong"....
> >>> but what do I know.....
>
> >>> :"Annointed One" Eh.... sounds like a Sean Hannity follower.....
> >>> Man... you should hear some of my old gags against Sean... especially
> >>> my "nick-name" for him.....
>
> >>> nominal9
> >>> On Aug 31, 12:49 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE<markmka...@gmail.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>> Nominal9,
>
> >>>> Even in context your post made little sense. could you try to be a
> >>>> little more literate ?? Mr. Thompson made a comparison NOT a defense.
>
> >>>> On Aug 31, 10:29 am, nominal9<nomin...@yahoo.com>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> What's that... your ......"Mommy.... Jimmy can do it so why can't
> >>>>> I?".... defense?
> >>>>> nominal9
>
> >>>>> On Aug 30, 3:41 pm, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net>    wrote:
>
> >>>>>> As opposed to The Nation or MSNBC or the NYT or WaPo?   Definitely not
> >>>>>> more biased than these other medias are.   They wrote the book on bias
> >>>>>> along with CBS.
>
> >>>>>> On 08/30/2010 03:20 PM, nominal9 wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Every weekday JewishWorldReview.com publishes what many in the media
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> Washington consider "must-reading". Sign up for the daily JWR update.
> >>>>>>> It's free. Just click here.
>
> >>>>>>> Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment
> >>>>>>> and the Bill of Rights and author of several books, including his
> >>>>>>> current work, "The War on the Bill of Rights and the Gathering
> >>>>>>> Resistance". Comment by clicking here. / article
>
> >>>>>>> Sad to say... as a "nationally renowned authority on the First
> >>>>>>> Amendment"... Nat Hentoff has become more than a dissappointment in
> >>>>>>> his support of "freedom of speech" in his older age... he has become
> >>>>>>> nearly the contrary to an advocate for it... Nat has become a turncoat
> >>>>>>> and a proponent of "censorship" as a needed "exception" to "freedom of
> >>>>>>> speech" in many cases... especially in cases that criticize aspects of
> >>>>>>> Zionist Racism in Israel....
> >>>>>>> As for the publication, Jewish World Review.... enough said.... don't
> >>>>>>> you think that there may well be some slight bias or "slant" in their
> >>>>>>> opinions on this matter?
>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 29, 4:00 am, dick thompson<rhomp2...@earthlink.net>      wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>      Nat Hentoff is well known for being a staunch supporter of the US
> >>>>>>>> Constitution and especially the first amendment rights. He really tells
> >>>>>>>> it like it is here.
>
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