Friday, February 17, 2012

Re: Mitt Romney's Superficial View of Terrorism

That Obama might have expanded upon the Bush program of Israeli
support et al is not actually relevant.
-----------------------------------------

But that Romney MIGHT, is.

LOL

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Re: Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"

I was feeling kind and only listed the Bush bashing books that came
out during his presidency.

On Feb 17, 10:45 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once again,  more liberal lies, hate and smear by far left
> communist-elitists like Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews:
>
> Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews wrote:
>
> *"By year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a
> minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more than
> either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and the number
> keeps growing."*
> ========
> President Barak Hussein Obama has been the least critizized President of
> all time, and arguably, the worst President in our lifetime. It is amazing
> the free ride he has been given by the liberal mainstream press.
> To suggest that our first Communist President is/was criticized more than
> George Bush is laughable, and shows just how out of touch
> Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews really is, with world events, domestic
> policy, and the heartbeat of America.is presidency, a staggering
> sixty-seven books, at a minimum, had been published that demonized Barack
> Obama — far more than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend
> with — and the number keeps growing."
>
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > LOL:
>
> > Eric Alterman and Mark J. Green, The Book on Bush: How George W.
> > (Mis)leads America (2004), ISBN 0-670-03273-5
> >  Ken Auletta (January 19, 2004). Fortress Bush: How the White House
> > Keeps the Press Under Control, The New Yorker, LXXIX, 53
> >  Bruce Bartlett, Imposter: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and
> > Betrayed the Reagan Legacy (2006), ISBN 0-385-51827-7
> >  Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?: The Case Against George W.
> > Bush (2000), ISBN 0-7432-1478-1
> >  Paul Begala, It's Still the Economy, Stupid: George W. Bush, The
> > GOP's CEO (2002), ISBN 0-7432-4647-0
> >  John Bonifaz, Warrior King: The Case for Impeaching George Bush
> > (2003), ISBN 1-56025-606-0
> >  James Bovard, The Bush Betrayal (2004), ISBN 1-4039-6727-X
> >  Russell S. Bowen, The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family
> > Exposed (1991), ISBN 0-922356-80-7
> >  Robert Bryce, Cronies: Oil, The Bushes, and the Rise of Texas,
> > America's Superstate (2004), ISBN 1-58648-188-6
> >  Vincent Bugliosi, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
> > (2008), ISBN 978-1593154813
> >  Robert C. Byrd, Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant
> > Presidency (2004), ISBN 0-393-05942-1
> >  Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
> > (2004), ISBN 0-7432-6045-7
> >  David Corn, The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of
> > Deception (2003), ISBN 1-4000-5066-9
> >  John W. Dean, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George
> > W. Bush (2004), ISBN 0-316-00023-X
> >  Robert S. Devine, Bush Versus the Environment (2004), ISBN
> > 1-4000-7521-1
> >  Maureen Dowd, Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk (2004), ISBN
> > 0-399-15258-X
> >  Dr. Justin A. Frank, Bush On The Couch: Inside the Mind of the
> > President (2004), Regan Books. ISBN 0-06-073670-4
> >  Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and
> > Balanced Look at the Right (2003), ISBN 0-525-94764-7
> >  Jacob Weisberg, Still More George W. Bushisms: Neither in French nor
> > in English nor in Mexican (2003), ISBN 0-7432-5100-8
> >  Ben Fritz, Bryan Keefer & Brendan Nyhan, All the President's Spin:
> > George W. Bush, the Media, and the Truth (2004), ISBN 0-7432-6251-4
> >  James Hatfield, Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an
> > American President (1999), ISBN 1-887128-84-0
> >  Jack Huberman, The Bush - Haters Handbook: A Guide to the Most
> > Appalling Presidency of the Past 100 Years (2003), ISBN 1-56025-569-2
> >  Molly Ivins, Bushwhacked : Life in George W. Bush's America (2003),
> > ISBN 0-375-50752-3
> >  Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose, Shrub: The Short but Happy Political Life
> > of George W. Bush (2000), ISBN 0-375-50399-4
> >  Patrick S. Johnston, Mission Accomplished (2006), ISBN 1-59858-244-5
> >  William Karel, The World According to Bush (2004) documentary
> >  Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and
> > His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our
> > Democracy (2004), ISBN 0-06-074687-4
> >  Brad Koplowitz, Our Brave New World (2010), ISBN 978-0-557-33697-5
> >  Mark Crispin Miller, The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National
> > Disorder (2002), ISBN 0-393-32296-3
> >  Mark Crispin Miller, Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order
> > (2004), ISBN 0-393-05917-0
> >  Mcclellan Scott, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and
> > Washington's Culture of Deception (2009), ISBN 1-586-48556-3
> >  Michael Moore, Dude, Where's My Country? (2004), ISBN 0-446-69379-0
> >  Michael Moore, Stupid White Men (2004), ISBN 0-06-098726-X
> >  Michael Moore, Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004) motion picture
> >  Jack Nargundkar, The Bush Diaries: A Citizen's Review of the First
> > Term (2005), ISBN 0-595-35898-5
> >  Kevin Phillips, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the
> > Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush (2004), ISBN 0-670-03264-6
> >  Carl Pope, Strategic Ignorance : Why the Bush Administration Is
> > Recklessly Destroying a Century of Environmental Progress (2004), ISBN
> > 1-57805-109-6
> >  Gabriel Range, Death of a President (2006) motion picture
> >  Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, George Bush: The
> > Unauthorized Biography ([1]
> >  Michael Scheuer (orig. pub. under "Anonymous"), Imperial Hubris: Why
> > the West is Losing the War on Terror (2004), ISBN 1-57488-849-8
> >  Glenn W Smith, Unfit Commander: Texans for Truth Take on George W.
> > Bush (2004), ISBN 0-06-079245-0
> >  Ron Suskind, The Way of the World (2008).
> >  Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship
> > Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties (2004), ISBN
> > 0-7432-5337-X
> >  Paul Waldman, Fraud: The Strategy Behind the Bush Lies and Why the
> > Media Didn't Tell You (2004), ISBN 1-4022-0252-0
> >  Ian Williams, Deserter: George Bush's War on Military Families,
> > Veterans, and His Past (2004), ISBN 1-56025-627-3
> >  Clint Willis, The I Hate George W. Bush Reader: Why Dubya Is Wrong
> > About Absolutely Everything (2004), ISBN 1-56025-589-7
> >  Bob Woodward, State of Denial (2006)
>
> > On Feb 17, 9:40 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > From Bob
>
> > > Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"
>
> > > Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:16am —
> > > Bill Press
>
> > > The following is an excerpt from Bill Press' new book, "The Obama Hate
> > > Machine," published by Thomas Dunne Books.
>
> > > The American landscape, unfortunately, is peppered with presidential
> > > libraries, most of which are not worth the time or money for a visit.
> > > Each president gets one.
>
> > > But with Barack Obama, it's going to be different. He will become the
> > > first former president to require two presidential libraries: one to
> > > house the personal papers and historical record of America's first
> > > African-American president;
>
> > >  the second to house the mountain of Obama hate books that have been
> > > published during his time in office.
> > > Who says President Obama hasn't helped grow the economy? Just ask
> > > conservative imprints Regnery Publishing or Encounter Books .
>
> > > The Daily Beast's John Avlon was the first to track down the
> > > anti-Obama literature in detail. By his count, there were five books
> > > attacking Obama published even before he reached the White House. By
> > > year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a
> > > minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more
> > > than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and
> > > the number keeps growing.
>
> > > Even though throwing mud at Bill Clinton was a favorite pastime of the
> > > far right, keeping Regnery and other publishers busy, only eleven
> > > anti-Clinton books had been published by his two-year anniversary.
> > > George Bush got off even easier. According to Avlon, only five
> > > anti-Dubya books had hit the shelves by the same time in his
> > > presidency. Only in 2004, after his contentious reelection campaign,
> > > did the number of anti- Bush books reach forty-six.
>
> > > Granted, some of these anti-Obama books can be dismissed as nutty
> > > screeds written by crazies nobody ever heard of and self- ublished
> > > through services like CreateSpace. But most were in fact released by
> > > mainstream publishing houses. And the list of authors includes a
> > > former attorney general of the United States, a former ambassador to
> > > the United Nations, a former Speaker of the House, a former Ohio
> > > secretary of state, prominent conservative commentators, and at least
> > > four top national radio and TV talk- show hosts: Sean Hannity, Bill
> > > O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and Laura Ingraham.
>
> > > Together, they command a broad audience. And together, in print as on
> > > the airwaves, they have decided that the only way to bring down
> > > President Obama is not to challenge his policies but to undermine his
> > > personal credibility. In their warped world, Obama is not just wrong
> > > on the economy; he is a Marxist-socialist Manchurian candidate
> > > channeling the radical, antiimperial politics of his father and
> > > grandfather.
>
> > > With such a flood of hate literature— its lies duly repeated and
> > > promoted on radio, cable television, and online— it's no surprise that
> > > so many Americans are willing to believe demonstrably false things
> > > about Barack Obama. As this book goes to print, 25 percent of all
> > > Americans, and 41 percent of all Republicans, believe Obama was not
> > > born in the United States. One of every five Americans still believes
> > > he is a Muslim, and a whopping 55 percent are convinced he's a
> > > socialist. "I read it in a book, I saw it on television, so it must be
> > > true."
>
> > > But, as with all the other arms of the Hate Obama Machine, the hate
> > > Obama literature differs both in quantity and intensity. It's not a
> > > handful; it's an avalanche. It's not thoughtful political dissent;
> > > it's a wave of ugly personal attacks— as evidenced by
>
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Re: Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"

Once again,  more liberal lies, hate and smear by far left communist-elitists like Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews:
 
Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews wrote:
 
"By year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and the number keeps growing."
========
President Barak Hussein Obama has been the least critizized President of all time, and arguably, the worst President in our lifetime. It is amazing the free ride he has been given by the liberal mainstream press.
To suggest that our first Communist President is/was criticized more than George Bush is laughable, and shows just how out of touch Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews really is, with world events, domestic policy, and the heartbeat of America.is presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and the number keeps growing."
 
 
 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 9:45 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
LOL:

Eric Alterman and Mark J. Green, The Book on Bush: How George W.
(Mis)leads America (2004), ISBN 0-670-03273-5
 Ken Auletta (January 19, 2004). Fortress Bush: How the White House
Keeps the Press Under Control, The New Yorker, LXXIX, 53
 Bruce Bartlett, Imposter: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and
Betrayed the Reagan Legacy (2006), ISBN 0-385-51827-7
 Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?: The Case Against George W.
Bush (2000), ISBN 0-7432-1478-1
 Paul Begala, It's Still the Economy, Stupid: George W. Bush, The
GOP's CEO (2002), ISBN 0-7432-4647-0
 John Bonifaz, Warrior King: The Case for Impeaching George Bush
(2003), ISBN 1-56025-606-0
 James Bovard, The Bush Betrayal (2004), ISBN 1-4039-6727-X
 Russell S. Bowen, The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family
Exposed (1991), ISBN 0-922356-80-7
 Robert Bryce, Cronies: Oil, The Bushes, and the Rise of Texas,
America's Superstate (2004), ISBN 1-58648-188-6
 Vincent Bugliosi, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
(2008), ISBN 978-1593154813
 Robert C. Byrd, Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant
Presidency (2004), ISBN 0-393-05942-1
 Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
(2004), ISBN 0-7432-6045-7
 David Corn, The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of
Deception (2003), ISBN 1-4000-5066-9
 John W. Dean, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George
W. Bush (2004), ISBN 0-316-00023-X
 Robert S. Devine, Bush Versus the Environment (2004), ISBN
1-4000-7521-1
 Maureen Dowd, Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk (2004), ISBN
0-399-15258-X
 Dr. Justin A. Frank, Bush On The Couch: Inside the Mind of the
President (2004), Regan Books. ISBN 0-06-073670-4
 Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and
Balanced Look at the Right (2003), ISBN 0-525-94764-7
 Jacob Weisberg, Still More George W. Bushisms: Neither in French nor
in English nor in Mexican (2003), ISBN 0-7432-5100-8
 Ben Fritz, Bryan Keefer & Brendan Nyhan, All the President's Spin:
George W. Bush, the Media, and the Truth (2004), ISBN 0-7432-6251-4
 James Hatfield, Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an
American President (1999), ISBN 1-887128-84-0
 Jack Huberman, The Bush - Haters Handbook: A Guide to the Most
Appalling Presidency of the Past 100 Years (2003), ISBN 1-56025-569-2
 Molly Ivins, Bushwhacked : Life in George W. Bush's America (2003),
ISBN 0-375-50752-3
 Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose, Shrub: The Short but Happy Political Life
of George W. Bush (2000), ISBN 0-375-50399-4
 Patrick S. Johnston, Mission Accomplished (2006), ISBN 1-59858-244-5
 William Karel, The World According to Bush (2004) documentary
 Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and
His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our
Democracy (2004), ISBN 0-06-074687-4
 Brad Koplowitz, Our Brave New World (2010), ISBN 978-0-557-33697-5
 Mark Crispin Miller, The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National
Disorder (2002), ISBN 0-393-32296-3
 Mark Crispin Miller, Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order
(2004), ISBN 0-393-05917-0
 Mcclellan Scott, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and
Washington's Culture of Deception (2009), ISBN 1-586-48556-3
 Michael Moore, Dude, Where's My Country? (2004), ISBN 0-446-69379-0
 Michael Moore, Stupid White Men (2004), ISBN 0-06-098726-X
 Michael Moore, Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004) motion picture
 Jack Nargundkar, The Bush Diaries: A Citizen's Review of the First
Term (2005), ISBN 0-595-35898-5
 Kevin Phillips, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the
Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush (2004), ISBN 0-670-03264-6
 Carl Pope, Strategic Ignorance : Why the Bush Administration Is
Recklessly Destroying a Century of Environmental Progress (2004), ISBN
1-57805-109-6
 Gabriel Range, Death of a President (2006) motion picture
 Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, George Bush: The
Unauthorized Biography ([1]
 Michael Scheuer (orig. pub. under "Anonymous"), Imperial Hubris: Why
the West is Losing the War on Terror (2004), ISBN 1-57488-849-8
 Glenn W Smith, Unfit Commander: Texans for Truth Take on George W.
Bush (2004), ISBN 0-06-079245-0
 Ron Suskind, The Way of the World (2008).
 Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship
Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties (2004), ISBN
0-7432-5337-X
 Paul Waldman, Fraud: The Strategy Behind the Bush Lies and Why the
Media Didn't Tell You (2004), ISBN 1-4022-0252-0
 Ian Williams, Deserter: George Bush's War on Military Families,
Veterans, and His Past (2004), ISBN 1-56025-627-3
 Clint Willis, The I Hate George W. Bush Reader: Why Dubya Is Wrong
About Absolutely Everything (2004), ISBN 1-56025-589-7
 Bob Woodward, State of Denial (2006)


On Feb 17, 9:40 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From Bob
>
> Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"
>
> Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:16am —
> Bill Press
>
> The following is an excerpt from Bill Press' new book, "The Obama Hate
> Machine," published by Thomas Dunne Books.
>
> The American landscape, unfortunately, is peppered with presidential
> libraries, most of which are not worth the time or money for a visit.
> Each president gets one.
>
> But with Barack Obama, it's going to be different. He will become the
> first former president to require two presidential libraries: one to
> house the personal papers and historical record of America's first
> African-American president;
>
>  the second to house the mountain of Obama hate books that have been
> published during his time in office.
> Who says President Obama hasn't helped grow the economy? Just ask
> conservative imprints Regnery Publishing or Encounter Books .
>
> The Daily Beast's John Avlon was the first to track down the
> anti-Obama literature in detail. By his count, there were five books
> attacking Obama published even before he reached the White House. By
> year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a
> minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more
> than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and
> the number keeps growing.
>
> Even though throwing mud at Bill Clinton was a favorite pastime of the
> far right, keeping Regnery and other publishers busy, only eleven
> anti-Clinton books had been published by his two-year anniversary.
> George Bush got off even easier. According to Avlon, only five
> anti-Dubya books had hit the shelves by the same time in his
> presidency. Only in 2004, after his contentious reelection campaign,
> did the number of anti- Bush books reach forty-six.
>
> Granted, some of these anti-Obama books can be dismissed as nutty
> screeds written by crazies nobody ever heard of and self- ublished
> through services like CreateSpace. But most were in fact released by
> mainstream publishing houses. And the list of authors includes a
> former attorney general of the United States, a former ambassador to
> the United Nations, a former Speaker of the House, a former Ohio
> secretary of state, prominent conservative commentators, and at least
> four top national radio and TV talk- show hosts: Sean Hannity, Bill
> O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and Laura Ingraham.
>
> Together, they command a broad audience. And together, in print as on
> the airwaves, they have decided that the only way to bring down
> President Obama is not to challenge his policies but to undermine his
> personal credibility. In their warped world, Obama is not just wrong
> on the economy; he is a Marxist-socialist Manchurian candidate
> channeling the radical, antiimperial politics of his father and
> grandfather.
>
> With such a flood of hate literature— its lies duly repeated and
> promoted on radio, cable television, and online— it's no surprise that
> so many Americans are willing to believe demonstrably false things
> about Barack Obama. As this book goes to print, 25 percent of all
> Americans, and 41 percent of all Republicans, believe Obama was not
> born in the United States. One of every five Americans still believes
> he is a Muslim, and a whopping 55 percent are convinced he's a
> socialist. "I read it in a book, I saw it on television, so it must be
> true."
>
> But, as with all the other arms of the Hate Obama Machine, the hate
> Obama literature differs both in quantity and intensity. It's not a
> handful; it's an avalanche. It's not thoughtful political dissent;
> it's a wave of ugly personal attacks— as evidenced by even a quick
> glance through each of the anti- Obama titles.
>
> Don't worry. You don't have to read them all. I've skimmed them for
> you. (Click here to see the list of 67 anti-Obama books in full,
> including six that take a more traditionally populist -- and less
> right-wing -- tone.)  This is the URL:
>
> http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/67-anti-obama-books
>
> Here's a quick look at some of my favorites:
> 10. Cullen, Mike. Whiny Little Bitch: The Excuse-Filled Presidency of
> Barack Obama.
> Publisher: Quite Right Books, June 2010.
> Between the Covers: The title says it all. Don't expect much from this
> book, and you won't be disappointed. Even one sympathetic reviewer had
> to acknowledge that it's no "in- depth" account of the Obama
> administration. It's a thin book, full of thin and stale criticisms of
> Obama's messianic complex, his slighting of allies, his being too hard
> on Wall Street, his surrounding himself with cronies, his race
> baiting, etc., etc. Cullen proves there's an audience for any
> anti-Obama drivel, no matter how shallow.
>
> 18. Geller, Pamela and Robert Spencer. The Post-American Presidency:
> The Obama Administration's War on America.
> Publisher: Threshold Editions, July 2010.
>
> Between the Covers: If you truly believe that Barack Obama is "the
> most radical individual ever to occupy the White House," this is the
> book for you. Geller and Spencer sound yet another call to arms to
> Americans concerned about Obama's plot to destroy our free- market
> system and nationalize major segments of our economy. Billed as "the
> true patriot's handbook," Geller's book urges conservatives to rise up
> and stop Obama in his tracks, while there is still any America left to
> defend.
>
> 51. O'Leary, Brad. The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on
> American Values.
> Publisher: WND Books, September 2008.
>
> Between the Covers: Lucky for Barack Obama I didn't read this book
> before the 2008 election, or I would never have voted for him. How
> could anyone other than an outright Communist vote for him after Brad
> O'Leary told you what his real agenda was. No kidding. Few people
> realized that Barack Obama had these seven top goals: to raise the top
> tax rate to 60 percent; to grant citizenship to twelve million illegal
> immigrants; to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the
> Second Amendment; to take 25 percent of farmland out of production; to
> transfer care of children under five from parents to government; to
> set up new government agency to decide which medical procedures
> seniors qualify for; and to make it easier for more Democrats to get
> elected by allowing felons to vote. Of course, that may have been a
> good way to scare people. But it didn't work. And, needless to say,
> not one of O'Leary's predictions has come true.
>
> http://www.nationalmemo.com/content/welcome-i-hate-obama-book-club
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Re: Mitt Romney's Superficial View of Terrorism


As is typical of your efforts ... this is what, the FIFTH effort to move away from the words, concepts and ideas presented?
I already noted numerous times that Obama may be as guilty or more ... yet it REMAINS irrelevant.

Boobus Americanus typified.

Regard$,
--MJ

"The Iranian military couldn't even defeat Iraq's third-rate military in the Iran-Iraq war, and it's going to invade the US? How ludicrous!" -- Jacob Hornberger



At 09:30 AM 2/17/2012, you wrote:
You exlusively attack Romney.  Read your thread title.  Now its, ok,
Obama too.


LOL

On Feb 16, 9:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> ROTFLMAO!
> Curious you never recognize your projections.
> Yes, Obama is pursuing/expanding the GWB policies providing us with Bush's third term (McCain would have given us the SAME). TheSevenThree Dwarfs seeking the Republican nomination will ALL provide us with Obama's second term.
> What *any* of this has to do with Rozeff's words, concepts and ideas is not known, but certainly trying to skew the discussion to irrelevance is useful in maintaining your pleasing vision.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> "Government is in reality established by the few; and these few assume the consent of all the rest, without any such consent being actually given."  Lysander SpoonerAt 09:42 AM 2/16/2012, you wrote:Dodgeball
> On Feb 16, 9:26 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > Did you know that it is raining at my house today?
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
> > The extortions and oppressions of government will go on so long as such bare fraudulence deceives and disarms the victims. . . . They will come to an end when the victims begin to differentiate clearly between government as a necessary device for maintaining order in the world and government as a device for maintaining the authority and prosperity of predatory rascals and swindlers.  H. L. Mencken, Prejudices, p. 188.At 09:25 AM 2/16/2012, you wrote:You do realize Obama has ramped up support for Israel big time,
> > right?  Perhaps Rahm Emanuel was a clue.
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Who Won World War II?

"Who won World War II? The communists did, along with the lovers of big government here at home, who then used the communist threat to turn America into a garrison warfare state."

Thursday, February 16, 2012
Who Won World War II?
by Jacob G. Hornberger

I'm always intrigued by those in the pro-interventionist crowd who trot out World War II to justify U.S. imperialist interventionism in the Middle East and the rest of the world. They always act as if the United States won World War II and also saved the Jews from the Holocaust. Nothing could be so ridiculous.

With respect to the European Jews, virtually all of them were dead by the end of the war. World War II did not save them from the Holocaust.

Equally important, the United States did not enter the war to save the Jews from the Holocaust. It entered the war because Germany declared war on the United States after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

If the Japanese had not attacked and had Germany not declared war on the United States, it's not at all clear that the United States would have ever entered the war. Recognizing that World War I had entailed a total waste of American lives and resources, most Americans were steadfastly opposed to entering another foreign war in Europe.

They ostensibly included Franklin Roosevelt, who told Americans during his 1940 presidential campaign, "I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again; your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars."

Of course, most people now concede that Roosevelt was lying and, in fact, was doing everything he could to thwart the will of the American people by provoking both the Germans and the Japanese into attacking first, thereby trapping Americans into entering the war.

We also shouldn't forget about the U.S. government's attitude toward Jews, including those living in Germany and Poland. Roosevelt's government didn't like them any more than the Hitler regime did. Indeed, when Hitler offered to let the Jews leave Germany alive, Roosevelt wouldn't let them come to the United States worth. Immigration quotas was the excuse he used.

For that matter, don't forget how Roosevelt's government treated German Jews in the infamous "Voyage of the Damned," when U.S. officials refused to permit Jewish refugees from Germany to disembark at Miami Harbor, knowing that the German ship captain would likely be relegated to returning them to Nazi Germany.

No, the sad truth is that U.S. entry into World War II did not save the Jews from the Holocaust, nor was that ever a goal of the U.S. government.

"But, Jacob, we beat the Nazis. Doesn't that mean that we won World War II?"

Not exactly. You see, it turns on the meaning of the pronoun "we." By "we" the interventionists mean "Great Britain, France, the United States, and the Soviet Union."

But if you break down that pronoun into its individual parts, you immediately notice a problem. Great Britain, France, and the United States didn't win the war. The Soviet Union did.

Let's think back to who declared war on whom. When Germany and the Soviet Union invaded Poland, Great Britain and France declared war on Germany, not the other way around. Why did they do that? Their announced goal was to free the Polish people from Nazi tyranny.

Why didn't they also declare war on the Soviet Union, given that it too had invaded Poland? Good question! The interventionists never have an answer to that one.

So, what was the result at the end of World War II? Were the Polish people freed from Nazi tyranny?

Well, yes, and interventionists love to point that out.

But there is a problem here. While "we" celebrated our victory over the Nazis for the next several decades, the Poles didn't.

Why not?

Because they remained under the control of the Soviet Union for the next several decades! Remember: the Soviet Union is part of the "we" when interventionists exclaim that "we" won the war.

What's wrong with remaining under the control of the Soviet Union? you ask. Well, the Soviet Union was governed by a communist regime, one that was as brutal as the Nazi regime. Thus, while U.S. interventionists convinced themselves that communist domination was somehow better than Nazi domination, the Poles knew that there wasn't any difference at all.

Then, to add insult to injury, U.S. interventionists used the Soviet Union -- yes, their former World War II partner and ally that is part of the "we" -- to justify the massive build-up of the U.S. military-industrial complex and the national-security state, along with their ever-growing military and CIA budgets, secrecy, assassinations, coups, regime-change operations, Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam War, MKULTRA, COINTELPRO, and all the rest that came as a result of the post-World War II "communist threat" to America.

So, World War II gave us Soviet communist control over Eastern Europe and East Germany along with an ever-burgeoning warfare state here at home, and interventionists continue to maintain that "we" won World War II. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that the post-war era also brought us to the brink of nuclear annihilation against our old World War II partner and ally, the Soviet Union, with whom "we" won World War II.

The interventionists say that if the United States hadn't entered World War II, Germany would have invaded and conquered the United States. Oh? Are they referring to the nation that couldn't even successfully cross the English Channel to invade and conquer England?

Moreover, there isn't one iota of evidence that Hitler even desired to cross the ocean to invade and occupy the United States. Hitler's intentions were always to move east -- against the Soviet Union -- yes, against the nation that would ultimately turn out to be the Cold War enemy of the United States -- after serving as World War II partner and ally.

Moreover, if the United States could survive a world in which the Soviet Union controlled East Germany and Eastern Europe, why couldn't it have done the same with a world in which Nazi Germany controlled Germany and Eastern Europe?

I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that the U.S. victory over Japan, while succeeding in causing Japanese forces to leave China, also ended up with China in the hands of Mao and the Chinese communists, a situation that remains to this day. I suppose though that U.S. interventionists would say that that's not necessarily a bad thing given that the Chinese communist regime loaned the U.S. government the money to invade Iraq and Afghanistan.

Who won World War II? The communists did, along with the lovers of big government here at home, who then used the communist threat to turn America into a garrison warfare state.

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2012-02-16.asp

Re: Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"

LOL:

Eric Alterman and Mark J. Green, The Book on Bush: How George W.
(Mis)leads America (2004), ISBN 0-670-03273-5
Ken Auletta (January 19, 2004). Fortress Bush: How the White House
Keeps the Press Under Control, The New Yorker, LXXIX, 53
Bruce Bartlett, Imposter: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and
Betrayed the Reagan Legacy (2006), ISBN 0-385-51827-7
Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?: The Case Against George W.
Bush (2000), ISBN 0-7432-1478-1
Paul Begala, It's Still the Economy, Stupid: George W. Bush, The
GOP's CEO (2002), ISBN 0-7432-4647-0
John Bonifaz, Warrior King: The Case for Impeaching George Bush
(2003), ISBN 1-56025-606-0
James Bovard, The Bush Betrayal (2004), ISBN 1-4039-6727-X
Russell S. Bowen, The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family
Exposed (1991), ISBN 0-922356-80-7
Robert Bryce, Cronies: Oil, The Bushes, and the Rise of Texas,
America's Superstate (2004), ISBN 1-58648-188-6
Vincent Bugliosi, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
(2008), ISBN 978-1593154813
Robert C. Byrd, Losing America: Confronting a Reckless and Arrogant
Presidency (2004), ISBN 0-393-05942-1
Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror
(2004), ISBN 0-7432-6045-7
David Corn, The Lies of George W. Bush: Mastering the Politics of
Deception (2003), ISBN 1-4000-5066-9
John W. Dean, Worse Than Watergate: The Secret Presidency of George
W. Bush (2004), ISBN 0-316-00023-X
Robert S. Devine, Bush Versus the Environment (2004), ISBN
1-4000-7521-1
Maureen Dowd, Bushworld: Enter at Your Own Risk (2004), ISBN
0-399-15258-X
Dr. Justin A. Frank, Bush On The Couch: Inside the Mind of the
President (2004), Regan Books. ISBN 0-06-073670-4
Al Franken, Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and
Balanced Look at the Right (2003), ISBN 0-525-94764-7
Jacob Weisberg, Still More George W. Bushisms: Neither in French nor
in English nor in Mexican (2003), ISBN 0-7432-5100-8
Ben Fritz, Bryan Keefer & Brendan Nyhan, All the President's Spin:
George W. Bush, the Media, and the Truth (2004), ISBN 0-7432-6251-4
James Hatfield, Fortunate Son: George W. Bush and the Making of an
American President (1999), ISBN 1-887128-84-0
Jack Huberman, The Bush - Haters Handbook: A Guide to the Most
Appalling Presidency of the Past 100 Years (2003), ISBN 1-56025-569-2
Molly Ivins, Bushwhacked : Life in George W. Bush's America (2003),
ISBN 0-375-50752-3
Molly Ivins and Lou Dubose, Shrub: The Short but Happy Political Life
of George W. Bush (2000), ISBN 0-375-50399-4
Patrick S. Johnston, Mission Accomplished (2006), ISBN 1-59858-244-5
William Karel, The World According to Bush (2004) documentary
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Crimes Against Nature: How George W. Bush and
His Corporate Pals Are Plundering the Country and Hijacking Our
Democracy (2004), ISBN 0-06-074687-4
Brad Koplowitz, Our Brave New World (2010), ISBN 978-0-557-33697-5
Mark Crispin Miller, The Bush Dyslexicon: Observations on a National
Disorder (2002), ISBN 0-393-32296-3
Mark Crispin Miller, Cruel and Unusual: Bush/Cheney's New World Order
(2004), ISBN 0-393-05917-0
Mcclellan Scott, What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and
Washington's Culture of Deception (2009), ISBN 1-586-48556-3
Michael Moore, Dude, Where's My Country? (2004), ISBN 0-446-69379-0
Michael Moore, Stupid White Men (2004), ISBN 0-06-098726-X
Michael Moore, Fahrenheit 9/11 (2004) motion picture
Jack Nargundkar, The Bush Diaries: A Citizen's Review of the First
Term (2005), ISBN 0-595-35898-5
Kevin Phillips, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune, and the
Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush (2004), ISBN 0-670-03264-6
Carl Pope, Strategic Ignorance : Why the Bush Administration Is
Recklessly Destroying a Century of Environmental Progress (2004), ISBN
1-57805-109-6
Gabriel Range, Death of a President (2006) motion picture
Webster Griffin Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin, George Bush: The
Unauthorized Biography ([1]
Michael Scheuer (orig. pub. under "Anonymous"), Imperial Hubris: Why
the West is Losing the War on Terror (2004), ISBN 1-57488-849-8
Glenn W Smith, Unfit Commander: Texans for Truth Take on George W.
Bush (2004), ISBN 0-06-079245-0
Ron Suskind, The Way of the World (2008).
Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship
Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties (2004), ISBN
0-7432-5337-X
Paul Waldman, Fraud: The Strategy Behind the Bush Lies and Why the
Media Didn't Tell You (2004), ISBN 1-4022-0252-0
Ian Williams, Deserter: George Bush's War on Military Families,
Veterans, and His Past (2004), ISBN 1-56025-627-3
Clint Willis, The I Hate George W. Bush Reader: Why Dubya Is Wrong
About Absolutely Everything (2004), ISBN 1-56025-589-7
Bob Woodward, State of Denial (2006)


On Feb 17, 9:40 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From Bob
>
> Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"
>
> Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:16am —
> Bill Press
>
> The following is an excerpt from Bill Press' new book, "The Obama Hate
> Machine," published by Thomas Dunne Books.
>
> The American landscape, unfortunately, is peppered with presidential
> libraries, most of which are not worth the time or money for a visit.
> Each president gets one.
>
> But with Barack Obama, it's going to be different. He will become the
> first former president to require two presidential libraries: one to
> house the personal papers and historical record of America's first
> African-American president;
>
>  the second to house the mountain of Obama hate books that have been
> published during his time in office.
> Who says President Obama hasn't helped grow the economy? Just ask
> conservative imprints Regnery Publishing or Encounter Books .
>
> The Daily Beast's John Avlon was the first to track down the
> anti-Obama literature in detail. By his count, there were five books
> attacking Obama published even before he reached the White House. By
> year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a
> minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more
> than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and
> the number keeps growing.
>
> Even though throwing mud at Bill Clinton was a favorite pastime of the
> far right, keeping Regnery and other publishers busy, only eleven
> anti-Clinton books had been published by his two-year anniversary.
> George Bush got off even easier. According to Avlon, only five
> anti-Dubya books had hit the shelves by the same time in his
> presidency. Only in 2004, after his contentious reelection campaign,
> did the number of anti- Bush books reach forty-six.
>
> Granted, some of these anti-Obama books can be dismissed as nutty
> screeds written by crazies nobody ever heard of and self- ublished
> through services like CreateSpace. But most were in fact released by
> mainstream publishing houses. And the list of authors includes a
> former attorney general of the United States, a former ambassador to
> the United Nations, a former Speaker of the House, a former Ohio
> secretary of state, prominent conservative commentators, and at least
> four top national radio and TV talk- show hosts: Sean Hannity, Bill
> O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and Laura Ingraham.
>
> Together, they command a broad audience. And together, in print as on
> the airwaves, they have decided that the only way to bring down
> President Obama is not to challenge his policies but to undermine his
> personal credibility. In their warped world, Obama is not just wrong
> on the economy; he is a Marxist-socialist Manchurian candidate
> channeling the radical, antiimperial politics of his father and
> grandfather.
>
> With such a flood of hate literature— its lies duly repeated and
> promoted on radio, cable television, and online— it's no surprise that
> so many Americans are willing to believe demonstrably false things
> about Barack Obama. As this book goes to print, 25 percent of all
> Americans, and 41 percent of all Republicans, believe Obama was not
> born in the United States. One of every five Americans still believes
> he is a Muslim, and a whopping 55 percent are convinced he's a
> socialist. "I read it in a book, I saw it on television, so it must be
> true."
>
> But, as with all the other arms of the Hate Obama Machine, the hate
> Obama literature differs both in quantity and intensity. It's not a
> handful; it's an avalanche. It's not thoughtful political dissent;
> it's a wave of ugly personal attacks— as evidenced by even a quick
> glance through each of the anti- Obama titles.
>
> Don't worry. You don't have to read them all. I've skimmed them for
> you. (Click here to see the list of 67 anti-Obama books in full,
> including six that take a more traditionally populist -- and less
> right-wing -- tone.)  This is the URL:
>
> http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/67-anti-obama-books
>
> Here's a quick look at some of my favorites:
> 10. Cullen, Mike. Whiny Little Bitch: The Excuse-Filled Presidency of
> Barack Obama.
> Publisher: Quite Right Books, June 2010.
> Between the Covers: The title says it all. Don't expect much from this
> book, and you won't be disappointed. Even one sympathetic reviewer had
> to acknowledge that it's no "in- depth" account of the Obama
> administration. It's a thin book, full of thin and stale criticisms of
> Obama's messianic complex, his slighting of allies, his being too hard
> on Wall Street, his surrounding himself with cronies, his race
> baiting, etc., etc. Cullen proves there's an audience for any
> anti-Obama drivel, no matter how shallow.
>
> 18. Geller, Pamela and Robert Spencer. The Post-American Presidency:
> The Obama Administration's War on America.
> Publisher: Threshold Editions, July 2010.
>
> Between the Covers: If you truly believe that Barack Obama is "the
> most radical individual ever to occupy the White House," this is the
> book for you. Geller and Spencer sound yet another call to arms to
> Americans concerned about Obama's plot to destroy our free- market
> system and nationalize major segments of our economy. Billed as "the
> true patriot's handbook," Geller's book urges conservatives to rise up
> and stop Obama in his tracks, while there is still any America left to
> defend.
>
> 51. O'Leary, Brad. The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on
> American Values.
> Publisher: WND Books, September 2008.
>
> Between the Covers: Lucky for Barack Obama I didn't read this book
> before the 2008 election, or I would never have voted for him. How
> could anyone other than an outright Communist vote for him after Brad
> O'Leary told you what his real agenda was. No kidding. Few people
> realized that Barack Obama had these seven top goals: to raise the top
> tax rate to 60 percent; to grant citizenship to twelve million illegal
> immigrants; to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the
> Second Amendment; to take 25 percent of farmland out of production; to
> transfer care of children under five from parents to government; to
> set up new government agency to decide which medical procedures
> seniors qualify for; and to make it easier for more Democrats to get
> elected by allowing felons to vote. Of course, that may have been a
> good way to scare people. But it didn't work. And, needless to say,
> not one of O'Leary's predictions has come true.
>
> http://www.nationalmemo.com/content/welcome-i-hate-obama-book-club
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"

From Bob

Welcome To The "I Hate Obama Book Club"

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:16am —
Bill Press

The following is an excerpt from Bill Press' new book, "The Obama Hate
Machine," published by Thomas Dunne Books.

The American landscape, unfortunately, is peppered with presidential
libraries, most of which are not worth the time or money for a visit.
Each president gets one.

But with Barack Obama, it's going to be different. He will become the
first former president to require two presidential libraries: one to
house the personal papers and historical record of America's first
African-American president;

the second to house the mountain of Obama hate books that have been
published during his time in office.
Who says President Obama hasn't helped grow the economy? Just ask
conservative imprints Regnery Publishing or Encounter Books .

The Daily Beast's John Avlon was the first to track down the
anti-Obama literature in detail. By his count, there were five books
attacking Obama published even before he reached the White House. By
year three of his presidency, a staggering sixty-seven books, at a
minimum, had been published that demonized Barack Obama — far more
than either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush had to contend with — and
the number keeps growing.

Even though throwing mud at Bill Clinton was a favorite pastime of the
far right, keeping Regnery and other publishers busy, only eleven
anti-Clinton books had been published by his two-year anniversary.
George Bush got off even easier. According to Avlon, only five
anti-Dubya books had hit the shelves by the same time in his
presidency. Only in 2004, after his contentious reelection campaign,
did the number of anti- Bush books reach forty-six.

Granted, some of these anti-Obama books can be dismissed as nutty
screeds written by crazies nobody ever heard of and self- ublished
through services like CreateSpace. But most were in fact released by
mainstream publishing houses. And the list of authors includes a
former attorney general of the United States, a former ambassador to
the United Nations, a former Speaker of the House, a former Ohio
secretary of state, prominent conservative commentators, and at least
four top national radio and TV talk- show hosts: Sean Hannity, Bill
O'Reilly, Michael Savage, and Laura Ingraham.

Together, they command a broad audience. And together, in print as on
the airwaves, they have decided that the only way to bring down
President Obama is not to challenge his policies but to undermine his
personal credibility. In their warped world, Obama is not just wrong
on the economy; he is a Marxist-socialist Manchurian candidate
channeling the radical, antiimperial politics of his father and
grandfather.

With such a flood of hate literature— its lies duly repeated and
promoted on radio, cable television, and online— it's no surprise that
so many Americans are willing to believe demonstrably false things
about Barack Obama. As this book goes to print, 25 percent of all
Americans, and 41 percent of all Republicans, believe Obama was not
born in the United States. One of every five Americans still believes
he is a Muslim, and a whopping 55 percent are convinced he's a
socialist. "I read it in a book, I saw it on television, so it must be
true."

But, as with all the other arms of the Hate Obama Machine, the hate
Obama literature differs both in quantity and intensity. It's not a
handful; it's an avalanche. It's not thoughtful political dissent;
it's a wave of ugly personal attacks— as evidenced by even a quick
glance through each of the anti- Obama titles.

Don't worry. You don't have to read them all. I've skimmed them for
you. (Click here to see the list of 67 anti-Obama books in full,
including six that take a more traditionally populist -- and less
right-wing -- tone.) This is the URL:

http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/67-anti-obama-books


Here's a quick look at some of my favorites:
10. Cullen, Mike. Whiny Little Bitch: The Excuse-Filled Presidency of
Barack Obama.
Publisher: Quite Right Books, June 2010.
Between the Covers: The title says it all. Don't expect much from this
book, and you won't be disappointed. Even one sympathetic reviewer had
to acknowledge that it's no "in- depth" account of the Obama
administration. It's a thin book, full of thin and stale criticisms of
Obama's messianic complex, his slighting of allies, his being too hard
on Wall Street, his surrounding himself with cronies, his race
baiting, etc., etc. Cullen proves there's an audience for any
anti-Obama drivel, no matter how shallow.

18. Geller, Pamela and Robert Spencer. The Post-American Presidency:
The Obama Administration's War on America.
Publisher: Threshold Editions, July 2010.

Between the Covers: If you truly believe that Barack Obama is "the
most radical individual ever to occupy the White House," this is the
book for you. Geller and Spencer sound yet another call to arms to
Americans concerned about Obama's plot to destroy our free- market
system and nationalize major segments of our economy. Billed as "the
true patriot's handbook," Geller's book urges conservatives to rise up
and stop Obama in his tracks, while there is still any America left to
defend.

51. O'Leary, Brad. The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on
American Values.
Publisher: WND Books, September 2008.

Between the Covers: Lucky for Barack Obama I didn't read this book
before the 2008 election, or I would never have voted for him. How
could anyone other than an outright Communist vote for him after Brad
O'Leary told you what his real agenda was. No kidding. Few people
realized that Barack Obama had these seven top goals: to raise the top
tax rate to 60 percent; to grant citizenship to twelve million illegal
immigrants; to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn the
Second Amendment; to take 25 percent of farmland out of production; to
transfer care of children under five from parents to government; to
set up new government agency to decide which medical procedures
seniors qualify for; and to make it easier for more Democrats to get
elected by allowing felons to vote. Of course, that may have been a
good way to scare people. But it didn't work. And, needless to say,
not one of O'Leary's predictions has come true.

http://www.nationalmemo.com/content/welcome-i-hate-obama-book-club

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Have a great day,
Tommy

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Re: New Jersey Gay Marriage, Passed, Awaits Veto by Governor Christie

Look to Massachusetts. There is nothing to veto.

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Re: Of all the real super genius people out there...

I don't know any of those people.

"What is it that breathes fire into the equations, and gives rise to
intelligent beings such as ourselves, who can ask the question, "But
why does the universe bother to exist"? Perhaps only God can answer
that" - Stephen Hawking

On Feb 16, 11:30 am, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 11:04 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Nurse:  Professor, do you believe in God.
>
> > > Einstein:  My dear, I have spent my whole life trying to watch him
> > > work
>
>  "Let the people who deplore scientism demonstrate another methodology
> that delivers the goods the
>  way that science does." - Carl Sagan

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Re: Mitt Romney's Superficial View of Terrorism

You exlusively attack Romney. Read your thread title. Now its, ok,
Obama too.


LOL

On Feb 16, 9:49 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> ROTFLMAO!
> Curious you never recognize your projections.
> Yes, Obama is pursuing/expanding the GWB policies providing us with Bush's third term (McCain would have given us the SAME). TheSevenThree Dwarfs seeking the Republican nomination will ALL provide us with Obama's second term.
> What *any* of this has to do with Rozeff's words, concepts and ideas is not known, but certainly trying to skew the discussion to irrelevance is useful in maintaining your pleasing vision.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> "Government is in reality established by the few; and these few assume the consent of all the rest, without any such consent being actually given."  Lysander SpoonerAt 09:42 AM 2/16/2012, you wrote:Dodgeball
> On Feb 16, 9:26 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > Did you know that it is raining at my house today?
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
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It’s Not about Contraception

"Women have the right to contraception (and any other product) in the sense that they have a right to spend their money on it or to try to persuade someone else to do so. There can be no right to force (or have the government force) others to pay. This controversy is not about contraception. It's about freedom versus compulsion."

The Goal Is Freedom
It's Not about Contraception
Negative versus positive
Sheldon Richman
Posted February 17, 2012

When you bake a bad ingredient into a cake, no matter how nicely you decorate it, the cake will still be bad.

That's the lesson to take from the controversy over Obamacare, Catholicism, and contraception. To recap, under Obamacare all employers will be required to arrange for "health insurance" for their employees. Coverage must include various disease-preventive health services and women's contraception at no charge to employees. No premium-sharing, no copays -- nothing.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which has ominous rule-making power under Obamacare, exempted Catholic churches (as employers) from this rule because Catholicism teaches that contraception is sinful. However, HHS did not exempt Catholic institutions whose mission (the government says) extends beyond religion, namely, colleges, hospitals, and charities. Those institutions would have to pay (nominally at least) for their women employees' birth-control products and services.

That seemingly arbitrary distinction set off a political firestorm intense enough to force the Obama administration back to the drawing board. Under President Obama's so-called "accommodation," all Catholic institutions would be exempt from paying for contraception after all, but their insurance companies would have to provide the coverage at no cost.

Top Catholic officials are still unhappy, though other prominent Catholics are satisfied. The matter isn't settled yet. (Aside: Is there a significant difference between a Catholic institution's being forced to pay for employees' birth control and its being forced to arrange the match between its employees and the insurance company that will pay for it?)

In announcing his "accommodation," Obama said that religious liberty has been squared with a "core principle": "a law that requires free preventive care will not discriminate against women." We need not "choose between individual liberty and basic fairness for all Americans." Since men's contraception is not mandated for free coverage, Obama's remark about discrimination is puzzling.


Competing Liberty Interests?

Washington Post column E. J. Dionne, a Catholic and an enthusiast for Obamacare, put it this way: "There were legitimate liberty interests on both sides of this debate." He is satisfied that both "liberty interests" have been served.

What exactly are the two liberty interests? One is clear: an institution wishes not to be compelled to facilitate what it regards as morally abhorrent. (The validity of that moral judgment is irrelevant.) But what's the other one? One infers from the discussion that it's women's liberty to use contraception. (A third liberty interest -- an insurer's wish not to be forced to give away its services -- is strangely overlooked.)

How exactly was the liberty to use contraception jeopardized by the Catholic exemption? In no way would a woman's freedom in this respect be infringed simply because her employer was free to choose not to pay for her contraceptive products and services. (See last week's TGIF on why volitional acts such as using contraception and other preventive measures are neither free nor insurable.)

Yet advocates of Obamacare insist on conflating these issues. They repeatedly portray opposition to forced financing of contraception as opposition to contraception itself. (Alas, some conservatives have encouraged this conflation.) Must the difference really be spelled out?

This sort of argument is nothing new, of course. In The Law (1850), Frederic Bastiat noted that advocates of government-run schools accused those who opposed them of being against education itself.


Prohibitive Expense

When pressed, proponents of "free" employer-provided contraception will claim (as though this were responsive) that many women can't afford birth control and that insurance companies would save money by giving it away. (Why haven't the insurers thought of that?)

Taking these in reverse order, the second argument begs the question. Insurance companies allegedly would save money because they wouldn't have to pay for medical services associated with having children. That assumes that if the insurer were not providing  free contraception, women would have to do without. But that is precisely what is in dispute. Why assume that?

As for the claim about the allegedly prohibitive expense, one may properly ask how that could justify forcing others to pay. It's amusing to watch advocates of free contraception cite as evidence for their position polls showing that women overwhelmingly support no-cost contraception. Since when have people not wanted free stuff? Women have managed to obtain birth control up until now (we're repeatedly told that nearly all women, including Catholics, have used it), and low-income women can resort to Planned Parenthood if necessary, which already gets taxpayer money (which is not to say it should).


When a "Right" Is Not a Right

What we have in this debate is a clash not between two liberty interests, but rather between two rights-claims – one negative (genuine), the other positive (counterfeit). All that is required for the exercise of a negative right (to life, liberty, and one's legitimately acquired belongings) is other people's noninterference. But the fulfillment of positive rights requires that other people act affirmatively even if they don't want to ­ say, by providing products or paying the bills. If one person's freedom depends on the infringement of someone else's freedom, the first claim is illegitimate. To hold otherwise is to reject the principle of equality.

Women have the right to contraception (and any other product) in the sense that they have a right to spend their money on it or to try to persuade someone else to do so. There can be no right to force (or have the government force) others to pay. This controversy is not about contraception. It's about freedom versus compulsion.

As long as that bad ingredient -- the principle that government may coerce people to buy things for others -- is baked into the cake, it will be rotten no matter how it's nicely decorated.

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/tgif/its-not-about-contraception/

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Take meaningful steps towards a democratic transition, peace and national reconciliation

16 February 2012

 

H. E. Dr. Surin Pitsuwan

Secretary General of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations

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Your Excellency,

 

I write to you today  to share my lingering concerns about on-going human rights violations in Burma/Myanmar ahead of your mission to the country on 20 February 2012.

I would like to request that you use this opportunity to urge President Thein Sein and his government to take meaningful steps towards a democratic transition, peace and national reconciliation as well as to put an end to gross human rights violations in the country.

Thein Sein's government has taken a number of indisputably positive steps since November 2011, when Burma/Myanmar was granted the chairpersonship of ASEAN for 2014. These include the release of close to three hundred well known political prisoners, changes in the election laws to allow the National League for Democracy, a popular opposition party, to participate in an upcoming by-election, and the loosening of pre-publication censorship requirements. While I welcome these encouraging developments, Burma/Myanmar should put forth the necessary effort in order to lead ASEAN in 2014, particularly given the fact that the ASEAN Charter commits member states "to the principles of democracy, the rule of law and good governance, respect for protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms."

I note with concern that the recent negotiations between government representatives and ethnic armed groups have not led to an end to conflict and the Burma Army continues to perpetrate gross human rights abuses against ethnic civilians. On 6 February 2012, despite the presence of a ceasefire agreement signed on 2 December 2011, Burma Army units shelled a base belonging to the Shan State Army-South in Mong Ping Township in Eastern Shan State. In a statement dated 5 February 2012, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in Myanmar, Mr. Tomas Ojea Quintana, commented that he "received continuing allegations of serious human rights violations committed during conflict, including attacks against civilian populations, extrajudicial killings, sexual violence, internal displacement, land confiscations, the use of human shields, the recruitment of child soldiers, as well as forced labor and portering." The reigning culture of impunity empowers Burma Army soldiers to continue perpetrating such abuses without fear of punishment. Mr. Quintana also stated that "I remain of the firm conviction that justice and accountability measures, as well as measures to ensure access to the truth, are fundamental for Myanmar to move forward towards national reconciliation."

 

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the recent easing of media censorship and other "openings" that have been hailed by the international community has not been accompanied by legislative reforms. Repressive laws in Burma/Myanmar which include restrictions on freedom of speech, assembly and the press remain on the books, unamended consequently, the people of Burma/Myanmar continue to fear arrest for their political activities, thus limiting their ability to participate in public life.

 

 

The recent release of political prisoners has been praised as one of the most significant steps on the road to democracy. However, hundreds of political prisoners still remain behind bars. Additionally, those prisoners released on 13 January 2012 were freed under Article 401(1)[3] of the Code of Criminal Procedure which allows for prisoners' sentences to be suspended or remitted. Since the prisoners had their sentences suspended, rather than receiving amnesty as occurred in past prisoner releases, these sentences can be reinstated should the former prisoners commit another breach of the law.

 

Given that laws prohibiting freedom of expression remain in place, speaking out against the government will endanger them to be imprisoned again. Furthermore, we are disturbed by the fact that a Buddhist monk, Ashin Gambira, one of the leaders of the Saffron revolution, was re-arrested on 10 February 2012, less than a month after his release, reportedly because of his attempts to open monasteries closed by the government. While Ashin Gambira was thankfully released later that day, this was an apparent act of intimidation on the part of the government, seeking to silence an outspoken individual who is viewed as threatening their hold on power.

I believe that Burma/Myanmar needs to complete genuine democratic reforms as an essential prerequisite to leading ASEAN in promoting "regional peace and stability through abiding respect for justice and the rule of law." Special Rapporteur Quintana stated in his 5 February press conference that "prior to its assumption of the Chairpersonship of ASEAN in 2014, I would encourage Myanmar to demonstrate concrete progress in improving its human rights situation. The international community should remain engaged and should support and assist the Government during this important time."

Recognizing your important visit at this critical juncture is aimed at encouraging the government of Burma/Myanmar "to seize the moment to mobilize its collective efforts to promote continuing peace, stability and prosperity in Myanmar and ASEAN", I therefore specifically request you to urge the government of Burma/Myanmar to take the following actions:

 

·         Release all remaining political prisoners unconditionally;

 

·         Immediately stop intimidation and surveillance of released political prisoners;

 

·         Reach a nationwide ceasefire that addresses the root causes of conflict with ethnic armed groups;

 

·         Address the issue of accountability for human rights abuses and put an end to the ability of the Army to perpetrate crimes with impunity; and

 

·         Amend or repeal those laws that restrict the fundamental freedoms of the people of Burma/Myanmar in order to allow all of the country's people to fully participate in public life.

 

Sincerely yours,

William Nicholas Gomes

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INDONESIA: A young man died suspiciously in custody

Dear Mr. Ifdhal Kasim,

Name of victims: Yusli (male, 23-year old)
Names of alleged perpetrators: Four Cisauk sub-district police officers and Mr. Kemidjo, the chief of Cisauk sub-district police station
Date of incident: 26 December 2011
Place of incident: The research centre for science and technology (Puspiptek) area, Tangerang

I am writing to voice my deep concern regarding the death of Yusli, a 23-year old man, while in police custody on 26 December 2011. According to the information from the Jakarta Legal Aid Institute (LBH Jakarta), several injuries were found on Yusli's dead body. His family reported that his head looked like it was bleeding and claw marks were found on his right chest. A shot wound was also found on his left chest. Moreover, the family found lacerations on his face as well as several bruises on his forehead, chin, hands and body.

I was informed that, on 26 December 2011, Yusli was at his house when three men carrying long rifles came and took him away in a car driven by another man. Having no idea where Yusli was taken, his family visited several police stations in order to find him. Yet these attempts turned out to be pointless.

The family was later told by Mr. Jurjani, the community head of Mekarsari sub-district, that Yusli had died and his body was at the Kramat Jati hospital. Mr. Jurjani gave no further explanation regarding Yusli's death, but he did give the family Rp 2.000.000,00 (about USD 222) 'to show his sympathy'. He also asked the family to sign a blank letter which allegedly would be used for a statement saying that the family would not take any actions regarding this matter. The family refused to sign however. Later, at Yusli's funeral, the family was also offered Rp 3.000.000,00 (approximately USD 333) from a man who said the money was to show sympathy from Kemidjo, the chief of Cisauk sub-district police station. The same man also asked the family if they have received some money from Mr. Jurjani.

When the family was visiting Kramat Jati hospital where Yusli's body was kept, they met a man who claimed to be a police officer of the Cisauk sub-district police station. The man told the family that it was his friends and the chief of the Cisauk sub-district police, Kemidjo, who arrested Yusli. He also informed them that Yusli was trying to escape so the police had to shoot him. The family did not believe this story and reported the case to the police’s Division of Profession and Security (Propam) which later informed them that the case is being investigated.

However, I would like to question the investigation process as it was reported by Yusli's family as 'unusual'. I received the information that the investigators for this case are from the economy division, who usually deal with business crime. I believe it is essential to ensure that the police officers appointed in this case are qualified and well trained so that the investigation process can run effectively. I was also told that the police did not take any further action to Yusli's father-in-law saying that he could identify one of the kidnappers as a member of the Cisauk sub-district police. As of today, the family is still ignorant to the reasons for Yusli's arrest, as they never received any copy of the arrest warrant. They only heard in the media that Yusli was charged due to motorcycle theft. Yet according to the family, Yusli had been previously convicted for such crime and served his sentence. He was released on 18 August 2011.

I request you to ensure that Yusli's family gets a proper explanation regarding Yusli's arrest. I believe you are aware that according to article 18 paragraph (3) of the Indonesian Criminal Procedure Code, the family of an arrested person should be provided a copy of the arrest warrant. It is shameful that even after his death Yusli's family still does not know why he was arrested.

I further would like to remind you that Indonesia has the responsibility over the physical integrity as well as the welfare of any persons held in police custody. Should anything happen to them, it is the obligation of the government to prove that it has taken all necessary measures to protect the life of arrested and detained persons. Without this, it amounts to the violation of the right to life as enshrined in article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), to which Indonesia is a state party. Furthermore, article 6 obliges the government to ensure that any unusual death in custody should be investigated independently, effectively and promptly.

The information that the police shot Yusli as he was trying to escape from police custody is questionable. Even if this were true, I am aware that the police are not supposed to use firearms to prevent his escape. The Head of Indonesian Police Regulation No. 1 Year 2009 regarding The Use of Force classifies an attempt to escape from the police as an 'active conduct' which should be responded only with empty-handed force and not with shooting live ammunition.

In this regard, I would like to ask you as the relevant authorities in Indonesia to ensure that a criminal investigation into Yusli's death is conducted independently, effectively and promptly. Should the persons allegedly responsible for his death be convicted, they must be punished adequately in accordance with the law. The investigation should be focused not only on Yusli's death, but also on corruption regarding the reports saying the police had given money to the family. I would also like to call for Yusli's family to be given adequate compensation and, equally important, the truth regarding what actually happened to Yusli.

Yours sincerely,
William Nicholas Gomes
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