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No I'm afraid I don't know what your stance is on all these issues,
though I could easily guess some of them.
> the issue at hand is that the dems and socialists hold similar
> positions on these issues.
On some issues they may well hold similar beliefs.
But on some issues Dems a Reps hold similar beliefs also...
And fundamental conservatives may hold similar beliefs with Islamic
terrorists also... so what?
Why I bet you and I even hold some similar beliefs.
You can stop using the roads, medicines and countless other things
socialism put in place any time you'd really like to protest the evils
of socialism.
But somehow I don't think you will because it benefits you and has in
fact already saved your life numerous times without you ever realizing
it.
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On Feb 13, 9:37 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> At 09:27 AM 2/13/2012, you wrote:Republicans have become so radically conservative that if Ronald
> Reagan were alive he would be considered a moderate.
> ----ROTFLMAO!
MJ, why are you rolling on the floor laughing at this, where have you
been?
This has been common knowledge for years now.
Not only would he have been a moderate, he wouldn't even be running.
And if Ronald Reagan would be considered moderate, think of how many
trillion$ the next Republitard will want to spend on the military now
after the cold war is over and a supposedly more dangerous threat has
emerged with simple terrorist groups that existed when the cold war
was being fought in the first place!
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the issue at hand is that the dems and socialists hold similar
positions on these issues.
On Feb 14, 10:13 am, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Here's what I want you do when you have time plainol...
> write what your policy would be in each of the issues you cite.
> Now remember, ignoring them doesn't make them go away, it just makes
> them worse later on.
>
> On Feb 14, 10:51 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > PROOF THAT DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM
> > Jaysun | 12/11/03 | Jaysun
>
> > ABORTION -
>
> > ANTI-WAR (Iraq) -
>
> > ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) -
>
> > DEATH PENELTY -
>
> > MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) -
>
> > ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS -
>
> > HEALTH CARE -
>
> > HOUSING -
>
> > PUBLIC EDUCATION -
>
> > ENVIRONMENT -
>
> > ANIMAL RIGHTS -
>
> > LABOR UNIONS -
>
> > ECONOMICS -
>
> > COMMUNIST PARTY USA.
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That MJ sees either President Obama or President Bush as Fascists, shows either (1) how little he knows about political, social and economic ideologies, and/or (2) MJ is a crackpot.....Take your pick.
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On Feb 14, 10:51 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> PROOF THAT DEMOCRATS = SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM
> Jaysun | 12/11/03 | Jaysun
>
> ABORTION -
>
> ANTI-WAR (Iraq) -
>
> ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) -
>
> DEATH PENELTY -
>
> MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) -
>
> ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS -
>
> HEALTH CARE -
>
> HOUSING -
>
> PUBLIC EDUCATION -
>
> ENVIRONMENT -
>
> ANIMAL RIGHTS -
>
> LABOR UNIONS -
>
> ECONOMICS -
>
> COMMUNIST PARTY USA.
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Santorum: At a rally where his lemming supporters repeated the phrase
to OWS supporters; "get a job"... (how original, what geniuses in that
crowd!...although I bet not one of them in that crowd was hiring
anyone!) told the crowd;
"You realize that there is a group in society that is being left
behind. There's a group, about one in three Americans don't graduate
from high school, and almost all of them, over three quarters of them,
will end up in poverty at some point in time in this country," said
Santorum. "We've got to provide an opportunity for them, instead of
standing here yelling at somebody, to go out and get a job and work
for a living."
He's absolutely correct. Yelling at someone to do something they've
been unable to do, is neither productive nor a solution.
Instead of meaningless ideological catch phrases, he's actually
focusing on the meat and potatoes of the issue and basically telling
his audience to stfu.
Newt: did a ok job when he was in congress. He helped make the 1990's
a economic peak decade for America.
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I took some time to examine the stance taken by the Democratic Party
on a variety of issues in comparison to the stance taken by the
Socialist Party USA. I was looking for a confirmation to what most of
us already believe - what I found sent chills down my spine. I've
listed the issues separately below so as to avoid being monotonous to
those who may only be interested in select issues. The direct link to
each individual statement is also provided. Also note the Communist
Party USA goals at the end of this article.
ABORTION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that a
struggle against habitual male dominance and patriarchy must go hand
in hand with any struggle against capitalism. Therefore, we pledge our
opposition to all forms of sexism, and demand equality for women in
all aspects of life. We support the rights of all women to birth
control information and supplies, and to all reproductive health
services -- including abortion. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20021116-roevwade.html
ANTI-WAR (Iraq) - Socialist Party USA They cynically expect that you
will put your morals aside and let war crimes be committed in your
name. They think you're scared and ignorant enough to go along with
anti-Arab racism. They think you can be hoodwinked into giving up your
Constitutional rights for the illusion of security. Prove them wrong.
Join us in resisting the war. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20020921-iraq.html
ANTI-WAR (Afghanistan) - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party USA
stands in complete outrage at the actions of the U.S. Government to
bomb Kabul and other cities and towns in Afghanistan. This retribution
is not and cannot be just. Instead this military aggression will only
lead to more violence; endless cycles of retribution and war will
again be in all our lives; innocent people will die; and we will be no
better than the September 11 hijackers. Never in history has peace
been obtained through war. We join socialists, anti-war and peace
organizations, labor unions and all others worldwide in declaring our
firm and passionate opposition to policies and actions that lead to
war. The people of Afghanistan have never been, and will never be, our
enemy. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20011007-afghanistan.html
DEATH PENELTY - Socialist Party USA The death penalty is wrong. It is
no less wrong, now that convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh is about
to be executed. The Socialist Party USA stands against the death
penalty, no matter to whom it is applied. This is not a new position.
http://sp-usa.org/statements/20010417-mcveigh.html
MIDDLE EAST (against Israel) - Socialist Party USA The new wave of
bloodshed in the Middle East has its starting point in Israel's
occupation of Palestinian lands. The Socialist Party calls for the
immediate cessation of all aid to Israel, including the sale of
military equipment of any kind. U.S. aid has been used by Israel to
fashion one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The
U.S. government's complicity with the Israeli occupations should end
now. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20001022-middleeast.html
ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS - Socialist Party USA WHEREAS in the same document
our party states clearly that "We defend the rights of immigrants to
housing, education, health care, jobs, and civil, legal, and political
rights. http://sp-usa.org/statements/20030817-iwfr.html
HEALTH CARE - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party stands for
socialized medicine-- a health care system based on universal
coverage, salaried doctors and health care workers, and revenues
derived from a graduated income tax. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
HOUSING - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes the right
of all people to high quality, low cost housing. We call for large
scale public investment in the construction of low cost, scattered
site, community-based, high-quality housing. We call for rent control
for all rental units, and the right of tenants to organize. We support
the formation of housing cooperatives and nonprofit land trusts, the
adoption of advanced and cost-cutting technology in building, and the
rehabilitation and weatherization of existing housing.
http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
PUBLIC EDUCATION - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes
the right of students of all ages to a free, quality education in a
safe and supportive environment, and of all school employees to good
wages, benefits, and working conditions. We call for full and equal
funding of public education, for free tuition at the post-secondary
level, and for an end to all public funding and subsidizing of private
schools. We call for fewer students per teacher. We call for vigorous
affirmative action programs so that each public institution of higher
education reflects the community at large in terms of race/ethnicity,
gender, and economic background. http://www.votesocialist.org/platform/plat2.html
ENVIRONMENT - Socialist Party USA The Socialist Party recognizes that
the mechanisms in capitalism that oppress and alienate humans are the
same mechanisms that destroy the environment. We support a policy of
no clear cutting in commercial forestry, a ban on commercial cutting
in old-growth forests, and an environmentally sound timber policy that
takes into account the historical ecology of the region. We oppose
nuclear power projects and call for the immediate decommissioning of
all nuclear power plants, a ban on the export of nuclear technology,
and any efforts to use nuclear technology in space.
http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/environment.html
ANIMAL RIGHTS - Socialist Party USA We call for the banning of the fur
trade. We support greater inclusion and enforcement of the Endangered
Species Act. We call for a ban on animal experimentation for product
development, and support products that are not tested on animals. We
oppose factory-farming practices of over-crowding, drugging, and
otherwise cruelly treating animals, practices that are inhumane and
that impair the quality of the food thus produced.
http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/animal-rights.html
LABOR UNIONS - Socialist Party USA We support efforts to organize all
workers, particularly workers in the service industries, enlisted
personnel in the Armed Forces, and the difficult to organize
(including students, home workers, homeless people, prison inmates,
and the unemployed). We support militant, united labor action
including secondary strikes and boycotts. We support the right of
first-time and part-time workers to full benefits. We call for the
repeal of all repressive labor legislation such as the Hatch Act, the
Taft-Hartley Act, the Landrum-Griffin Act, and all the so-called
"right-to-work" laws. http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/labor.html
ECONOMICS - We oppose balancing the federal budget at the expense of
funding basic human services. We call for a National Pension Authority
to hold the assets of private pension funds, and a levy against
corporate assets for any pension fund deficits. We call for increased
unemployment compensation. We support a program of massive federal
investment in both urban and rural areas for infrastructure
reconstruction and economic development. We call for the elimination
of subsidies and tax breaks that benefit corporations and wealthy
households at the expense of working people. We support the use of any
federal budget surplus on human services rather than tax cuts that
will only benefit the rich. (one of my personal favorites).
http://sp-usa.org/about/platform/economics.html
COMMUNIST PARTY USA. I'd like to end with some of the stated goals of
the Communist Party USA. Once again, the Communist and the Democrats
are virtually impossible to tell apart: *Raise the minimum wage to $12
an hour. *No privatization of Social Security. Increase benefits.
*Universal health care system. *Restore social safety net. Welfare
reform that includes job training, supports and living wages. *Full
funding for equal, quality, bi-lingual public education. No vouchers.
*Repeal tax cuts to the rich and corporations. *Strong regulation of
financial industry. *Prosecute corporate polluters. Public works
program to clean our air, water and land. *Aid to cities and states.
Federally funded infrastructure repair and social service programs.
*No to war with Iraq - End military interventions. *Cut military
budget and fund human needs. *End racial profiling. *Repeal the death
penalty. *Enforce civil rights laws and affirmative action. *Repeal
USA Patriot Act. *Legalization and protection of immigrant's rights.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/511/#question29
I won't bore you with a lot of unsolicited commentary about what I've
just posted. However, I will say that I am literally astounded at how
the Democrats mirror the Socialist on every single issue that comes to
mind. This further enforces why we must eliminate the current agenda
of the Democratic Party.
On Feb 13, 8:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/communist-party-usa...
> ****
>
> ****
> Communist Party USA Endorses Obama & Democrats for 2012****
>
> Posted on August 4,
> 2011<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/communist-party-usa...>
> by Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/eowyn2/> | 22
> Comments<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/08/04/communist-party-usa...>
> ****
>
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> ****
>
> Aaron Klein of WorldNetDaily reports <http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=329449>,
> August 3, 2011, that the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) is endorsing Barack
> Obama for the 2012 election.****
>
> In an article last week at *People's Weekly World*, the official newspaper
> of the CPUSA, despite being disappointed with "some aspects" of the Obama
> administration's domestic and foreign policy, Sam Webb, chairman of the
> Communist Party USA, threw his support behind Obama's re-election bid.****
>
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> ****
>
> CPUSA Chairman Sam Webb****
>
> Webb said that for communists there are major differences between Democrats
> and Republicans. He urged his supporters to continue to back the Democrats,
> explaining: "Neither party is anti-capitalist, but they aren't identical
> either. Differences exist at the levels of policy and social composition.
> And despite the many frustrations of the past two years, the election of
> Barack Obama was historic and gave space to struggle for a people's agenda."
> ****
>
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> ****
>
> CPUSA Executive Vice Chair Jarvis Tyner****
>
> Now that the news of CPUSA's endorsement of Obama is out, the party likely
> will do a repeat of what it did in 2008.****
>
> CPUSA posted an article on its official website on Dec. 30, 2007, stating
> that "Our Party actively supported Obama during the primary election." But
> when WND reported
> <http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=223609>the news in
> November 2008, CPUSA scrubbed its website of references that it
> "actively supported" Obama's candidacy.****
>
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> ****
>
> So I went on CPUSA's website to verify WND's information.****
>
> I found a report, "Fighting For Our
> Future<http://www.cpusa.org/fighting-for-our-future/>,"
> which Chairman Webb gave at a meeting of the National Committee of the
> Communist Party on June 26, 2011. Webb said:****
>
> *"Socialism isn't yet embraced by large sections of the American people….
> In these circumstances, the role of the left is to step up our efforts to
> energize, broaden, deepen, and, above all, unite the movement against the
> draconian plans of the Republican right…. Nothing is more important than
> the ideological and political strengthening of this movement….*****
>
> *It is obvious that there is a growing feeling of frustration and even
> anger among supporters of the Democratic Party with its performance over
> the past two years…. I am also disappointed with some aspects of the Obama
> administration's domestic and foreign policy. But I don't forget that this
> administration governs in a very hostile political environment in which the
> right is laboring overtime to wreck its initiatives at every step of the
> way….*****
>
> *But the main question from a strategic point of view is this: Does it make
> any difference, from the standpoint of the class and democratic struggles,
> which party gains political ascendency? *****
>
> *In our view, the differences between the two parties of capitalism are of
> consequence**…. Neither party is anti-capitalist, but they aren't identical
> either. Differences exist at the levels of policy and social composition.
> Despite the many frustrations of the past two years, **the election of
> Barack Obama was historic and gave space to struggle for a people's agenda**
> ….*****
>
> *The 2012 elections have begun**…. No other struggle now or in the
> foreseeable future has the same possibility to effect a change in the
> political balance of forces in a progressive direction…. While millions
> understandably feel dissatisfied with **the Democratic Party**…it** is the
> only viable alternative** to the Republican Party at this moment."*****
>
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> ****
>
> Joelle Fishman****
>
> I also found on the CPUSA website this article, "2010 Election Results:
> Time to Organize<http://www.cpusa.org/2010-election-results-time-to-organize/>,"
> by Joelle Fishman, Chair of the Connecticut Communist Party USA :****
>
> *"**Obama's most important statement** during his national tour **was,
> '2008 wasn't just about electing a President, it was about building a
> movement.'** ….*****
>
> *Our Party was in the thick of the battle of 2010.** We contributed and we
> learned a lot. **We have found an openness to our ideas and our
> participation. We have deepened our relationships with other organizations
> and activists.*****
>
> *We have brought new members into our Party even during the campaign….
> Therefore, we should be optimistic and confident about growing more in the
> months ahead. However, this does not happen spontaneously, there must be a
> plan…."*****
>
> It's official:****
>
> *A vote for Obama in 2012 is a vote for the Communist Party USA.*
>
> See also my post of May 17, 2010, "Communist Party USA Sues Dems for Theft
> of Party Platform<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/05/17/communist-party-usa...>
> ."****
>
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President Gingrinch... has a nice ring... if your a tard and don't
know any better.
♫♪
You're a mean one, Mr. Gingrinch.
You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Gingrinch
- You're a bad banana
- With a greasy black peel.
You're a monster, Mr. Gingrinch.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Gingrinch.
- I wouldn't touch you, with a
- thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.
You're a vile one, Mr. Gingrinch.
You have termites in your smile.
You have all the tender sweetness
Of a seasick crocodile.
Mr. Gingrinch.
- Given the choice between the two of you
- I'd take the seasick crocodile.
You're a foul one, Mr. Gingrinch.
You're a nasty, wasty skunk.
Your heart is full of unwashed socks
Your soul is full of gunk.
Mr. Gingrinch.
- The three words that best describe you,
- are, and I quote: "Stink. Stank. Stunk."
You're a rotter, Mr. Gingrinch.
You're the king of sinful sots.
Your heart's a dead tomato splot
With moldy purple spots,
Mr. Gingrinch.
Your soul is an appalling dump heap
overflowing with the most disgraceful assortment
of deplorable rubbish imaginable,
Mangled up in tangled up knots.
You nauseate me, Mr. Gingrinch.
With a nauseous super-naus.
You're a crooked jerky jockey
And you drive a crooked horse.
Mr. Gingrinch.
You're a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich
With arsenic sauce.
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I've never thought of MJ as being a crackpot... nor do I think he
doesn't know enough to suit your ideas on the matter.
I did not attack his argument because it's a perfectly legitimate
argument to make.
Now you on the other hand... well you're just not a good gardener. ;p
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I never said it was Bush Jr...
but since you love to ignore the facts when it was your side who came
up with them...
here are the facts for honest people who don't hide from facts:
The Gramm (Republitard-Texas) –Leach (Republitard-Iowa) –Bliley
(Republitard-Virgina) Act (GLB),
also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999,
(Pub.L. 106-102, 113 Stat. 1338, enacted November 12, 1999) or the
Citigroup Relief Act is an act of the 106th United States (Republitard
controlled) Congress (1999–2001). It repealed part of the Glass–
Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking
companies, securities companies and insurance companies that
prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an
investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company. With the
passage of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, commercial banks, investment
banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were allowed to
consolidate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act
This allowed them to do whatever they wanted... and they did.
So basically, you have nothing to complain about, and you have no
argument other than "it wasn't Bush Jr."
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On Feb 14, 9:14 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:Yeah he said that too... but they aren't the ones economically raped
> I'm getting tired of that shit. Tired of that shit. Tired! I'm tired
> of fucking Earth Day! I'm tired of these self-righteous
> environmentalists;
>
> these white, bourgeois liberals
>
> who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't
> enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for their
> Volvos. - G.Carlin
the country now are they?
And besides that, you might hear about them once a year...
I've been hearing about bad economics for since Bush Jr. started
spending a trillion$ on defense and going along with deregulation of
Wall Street.
Deregulation by it's very definition means "to do what you want,
unfettered by others".
And that's exactly what they did.
So you have zero credibility when it comes to anything economic.
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