Sherish Theba, Zeeshan Siddiqui, Usman Qasim,
Waisey yeh Muzakira bohot lamba ho gaya hai, Kai logo ney ikhtelaaf kiya, k Hindu poet ki poem pesh ki gayi, jisey apney aapko Musalmaan kehney walon ney dusrey musalmano ko Mushrik kehna shuru kiya. Us poem k Mutabiq, Pehley Aitrazat huvey. k
1) Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana shirak, (iska jawab diya gaya tho)
2) Phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya jaana nahi bal k waha jaakar ziyarat karana shirak.( Iska jawab diye tho)
3) phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya nai nain wahan jaakar Maangney per aitraaz hai.
4) kisi ney kaha k nai Pakki Mazaar bananey per Aitraaz hai. Aitrazat tho bohot huvey or Ab bhi ho rahey hain, or yeh jitney bhi Aitraazat hain sab Mazarat-e-Auliya ko lekar he ho rahey hain.
Kuch ney itna Maan liya k Mazaar per Jaaney mein koi haraj nai, Magar Manney sey problem hai or kuch kehtey hain Pakki mazaar sey problem hai.
Sherish Theba,
Aapney jo yahan per kaha ha, kis had tak sahi hai? Main aap sey ek request karta hu jo aap log kehtey ho. kehney sey pehley zara tehqeeq karlo. Hum per nahi khud per he ek Ehsaan karlo badi meharbaani hogi.
Agar aap log kuch galat nigah sey dekh letey ho or us ki tehqeeqat kiye bagair Agar koi bad kalemaat kehtey ho tho ismein kis galat kon hai?
Galat(Buri) Nigah or Galat(Buri) Soch ki ek misaal deta hu.
Ek Gair Shaadi shuda (Unmarried) Ladka, ek ladki ko Madarsa bike per chor kar aaya tho us ladkey k dost ney kaha, kyon miya Dadhi(beared) rakhey phirtey ho, Aalim, Moulana, shareef jaisey lagtey ho per phir bhi Ladkiyon ko apni bike per bitha kar ghumtey ho? kaisey besharam insaan ho? Sab jaantey huvey bhi galat kaam kartey ho?
Tho jaantey ho us ladkey ney kya jawab diya?
Usney kaha "woh meri (Didi)behan hai".
Main yeh kehna chahata hu, kai baar aisa hota hai, jo hum dekhtey hai or jisey hum galat feel kartey hai, woh dar haqeeqat galat nai hota. kyon k waha hamari soch galat hoti hai. Isiliye jab bhi kuch dekho or
kisi k baarey mein kuch galat ya bura kehna chaho tho pehley confirm karlo kya haqeeqat mein woh galat hai? Main sab sey pehley is baat ko clear karna pasand karuga, jo aapney yeh ilzaam lagaya hai woh bilkul galat or beybunyaad hai.
Pehley Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat o Jama-at ka Aqeeda maalum karo phir fatwey lagao.
Hum Sunni Mazarat-e-Aauliya per sajdey nai kartey, Or na he kisi Sunni Jama-at k Aalim ney kabhi hukum diya hai k Mazarat-e-Auliya per sajdey karo. Magar Sabsey badi galat fehmi aap logo mein jo moujud hai woh yeh hai.
Hum Mazarat-e-Auliya ko bosa(chumney) k liye jhuktey hain, Or Hum Sahib-e-Mazar k Qadmain shareefain ka bosa letey hain, unhey sajda nai kartey. or is amal ko aaplog sajda samajhtey ho apni Naaqis Aqal ka istemaal kar key. kyon k aap log Aalim sey puchna apni shaan k khilaf samajhtey ho or apney aapko duniya ka sab sey bada aalim samajh baithy ho. Allah aapko neik hidyat dey or Sahi Aalim-e-Deen sey contact mein rehney ki tofique dey.
Is Amal ko Huzur Mufti-e-Azam ney apney Naatiya Ashar mein u farmaya.
Sang-e-Dar-e-Jana per karta hu jabeein sei
Sajda na samajh najdi sar deta hu nazrana.
Ab bhi aap k dil mein ab bhi kuch shak baaqi hai jisey main mehsus karsakta hu, yeh merey Rab ney Nabi-e-Paak(SAW) k Sadqey mein hum Gulaman-e-Muhammed(SAW) ko ata kiya hai.
or woh shak jo aap k dil mein baaqi hai woh yeh hai. k Aaj bhi kai log Khawja Ghareeb Nawaz Rehmatullah hi tala Alai ya dusrey Auliya k mazaarat per sajda kartey hain.
tho unkey baarey mein kya kaho gey? ( Am i right? )
Tho yeh lo iska jawab.
Mazarat-e-Auliya per Musalmano sey zyada tadad(count) mein hindu jaatey hain, yeh baat main nahi aap khud kisi hindu sey puchu, kyon k aapko ek musalmaan sey zyada ek hindu ki baat per bharosa hai, jiski daleel wo nazam(poetry) hai jisey kisi hindu ney likha or aap ney us k base per musalmaano ko Mushrik kehna shuru kar diye. Yeh Hindu aap logo k aalim-e-deen maalum hotey hain kyon k aap ek Sahi Momin Aalim-e-deen ki bajaaye, insey Mashawara(Advice) letey ho.
Agar koi Hindu Topi (Muslim Cap) lagar kar Khawja Garib Nawaz Rehmatullah hi taala Alai k maazar per sajda karta hai tho kya aap us k Amal sey purey Ahl-e-Sunnat wo Jamat ko Mushrik kahogey?
Abhi ek or Aitraaz aap k dil mein mojoud hai.
or aap kaho gey "Nai nai, Main tho kai Musalmano ko bhi dekha hai sajda kartey huvey. tho ab un k liye kya kahogey?" (Am i right?)
Iska bhi Jawaba hai. or woh yeh padho.
Agar koi Musalmaan jo Mazarat-e-Auliya k aadab sey na wakif hai, agar woh nahi jaanta k Ziyarat-e-Mazarat-e-Auliya kaisey ki jaati hai? Tho Humara yeh kaam hai k hum usey Aadab sikhayen, na k us per Shirak ka fatwa dey dien. or us sey keh dein k nai, Mazar per jaana he shirak hai, Na jaayega Mazar per or na karey ga shirak. tho yeh jo tareeka aapka hai, woh bilkul galat hai.
iski b misaal deta hu, Main misaal isliye deta hu k Aap Aqal waley maalum hotey ho.
Agar koi baccha Namaz galat tarika sey padhey tho aap us ko Namaz ki adaigi ka sahi tarika batatey ho. Aap usko namaz sey nai roktey. Kyon k agar woh namaz galat tarika sey padh raha hai, agar aap usko samjaho gey tho woh sahi tarika sey padhey ga. Magar aap kaho k nai bhai, Namaz he rok do, Na pahey ga namaz or Na hi kareyga galati. tho yeh Soch aap ki galat hai.
Ab rahi baat Shirak ki, tho Suno Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat wo Jama-at ka Aqeeda.Allah ek hai, Allah ka koi Shareek nai, or Mohammed Sallahu Alaih wa sallam Allah k Bandey or Rasool hai.
Mohammed Sallah hu Alaih wa sallam Allah k Mehboob hain,
Allah k Nabi(SAW), ka Darja Allah k Baad hai, Agar Allah k Baad, Sabsey Afzal,Aala wo Bala Zaat, koi hai tho who Humarey Nabi Sarwar-e-Kaainat, Fakhrey Moujdaat, Hum Gunah gaaron ki Shafat karney waley, Hum gareebo k madagar, Aasiyon k Gamkhwar,
Syed-ul-Abrar, Hazrat Mohammed Mustafa, Noor-e-Mujjasam (Sallah hu Alaih wa sallam) ki zaat-e-babarakat hai.
or Auliya Allah, Allah k barguzida bandey hain. jinho ney Allah ki raza haasil kar li.
Hum Nabi-e-Paak, sey maangtey hain tho Unhey
Ya Rasul Allah key kar pukaartey hain, Hum Unhey
Allah k Rasul keh kar pukartey hain,
Allah nai kehtey.or na hi Allah samajhtey hain, Or jo kuch bhi Rasul Allah (SAW) detey hain tho woh Allah ki Ata sey detey hain, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaihwa sallam Kareem or Sakhi hain tho Allah ki Ata sey, Nabi-e-Paak Sallah hu Alaih wa sallak k paas jo khazaney hain woh Allah k ata kiye huvey hain.
isi tarah Auliya Allah bhi Allah ki Ata sey hum gareebo ko ata kartey hain.
Hum sab sunni unhey Allah keh kar yaa Allah samajh kar nai pukartey, Hum unhey Allah k paak barguzeeda bandey samajh kar pukartey hain. or aisa karna Shirak nai hai. or Agar aap is ko Shirak kehtey ho tho Challange hai aap sab ko
Quraan or Ahadees ki Roshni mein aap saabit kar k batao yeh shirak hai.
I challange to All, (Wahabi, Deobandi, Tabligee, Shia, Ahl-e-Hadees, Naayaki, Chakdalwi, Rafizi, etc etc or jo jo bhi tabkey firkey hain sab ko challange).
Aap sab log apney Badey badey Aalim-e-deen or Scholars ko ikkhata karlo, or Hum Ahl-e-Sunnat wa jamat ek taraf.
Dekhney waly, Padhney waley, Jaaney waley, sunney waley, or apney aapko zyada Aqalmand kehney waley bhi dekh lein kon Haq per hai?
Pehley two points ka jawab diya ja chuka hai.
1) Mazarat-e-Auliya per jana shirak, (iska jawab diya gaya tho)
2) Phir kisi ney aitraaz kiya jaana nahi bal k waha jaakar ziyarat karana shirak.( Iska jawab diye tho)
Teesrey point ka jawab is email mein diya hu.
Pehley or Dusrey point per tho aap logo ko koi aitraaz nahi, Agar koi kahey nai bhai, ab bhi aitraaz hai, tho Main kahuga previouse emails padho aap mein sey chand ney khud kaha hai k jaaney per aitraaz nahi hai. Or Agar koi kahey k hum ney nahi kaha tho main email or Date dono k saath aap logo ko reply karsakta hu.
4th ) Pakki Mazarat tho Pehley 3rd point per baat karlein, phir 4th Point per baat karein gey.
To Zeeshan Siddique
Zeeshan ney kaha k main ney email mein jhoot kaha hai Ahl-e-Hadees k baarey mein,
Yeh baat jo main kehney jaarah hu, yeh main apney dil sey nai kehra hu, Yeh baat Ahl-e-Hadis ki kitaab mein likhi hai, or Ahl-e-Hadees yeh baat kehtey huye fakhar mehsoos kartey hain, Even Ahl-e-Hadees k Scholars b yahi baat kehtey hain. wo Ahl-e-Hadees jamat k Kalimaat yeh hain."Agar hamein taaqat haasil hoti, Ya phir hamari zyada mazahimat na ki jaati tho hum Gunbad-e-Khazra ko dha detey," Nauzbillah min Zalik, Maz Allah suma Maz Allah.Mujehy unki kitaab or Aalim ka naam yaad nahi, but yeh main ney khud kisi Ahl-e-Hadees ki zubani or usney he kitaab mein padh kar sunaya tha. but main usko ab bhi jaanta hu, agar aapko yakeen na ho tho kisi Ahl-e-Hadees k scholar ya Aalim sey puch kar dekhlo or jab tak main b woh kitaab or Aalim-e-deen ka pata laga luga. Agar main yeh Sabit kardu tho aap kya karo gey?
or jo aapney link bheji hai woh yaha open nai hori,
http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=24074754035a5a937d2e or Waisey bhi yeh Shiatv.net Shia website hai, or Shia ki main baat per yaqeen b nai karta, Shia is not Muslim.
Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Sherish Theba
<architectsherry@gmail.com> wrote:
I so second usman qasim, islam aur sab se uppar Quran mazaar banane, aur un pe sajda karne ka hukum nahi deta, kisi paare ki kisi surah ki koi ayaat nahi deti, quran mei shirk karne se bara gunah aur koi nahi maana gaya, aur hinduon ki rah par chalte hamara kuch tabqa haqeeqat bhool gaya hai k Quran hamein yeh taleem nahi deta,
n @ Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina, n Sapphire i m sorry dont mean to hurt you, but akaal ka koi takaza bhi hota hai, har baat ke liye agar moulviyon se poochne ki zaroorat hoti, tou aaj nabuwat khatam hi na hoti, Allah ne quran mei kai daffa likha hai k "hum ne tumhare liye quran ko asaan kar diya", ho sake tou in pak ayaaton pe yaqeen hum insano se zyada kar lijiye ga, i m sure kisi aalim-e-deen se kam se kam shirk jaise gunahon ke clearance ki zarurat nahi pare gi,,, jawabbat kafii hadd tak aapko khud mil jaye ge....
May Allah bestow mercy on all of us n direct us to the right path... n give us the power to hear the truth wid patience n strength to grab what is right rather then argue n listen to what is wrong to do tehqeeq n find the utter truth.. Ameen...
Dat is how we can learn by still remaining unified....Inshaa Allah
Take care, n
Allah hafiz
On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Usman Qasim
<usmanqasim@hotmail.com> wrote:
Jazbatii taqreer karnay say kuch nahi hota.. baat hindu ki poem say mutasir honay ki nahi hai. baat ya hai k us may jo likha hai kya wo galat hai???? agar galat likha hai tu baat khatam ho jatii.. zaida gussa app logo ko tu ese baat ka hai us nay sach likhaaa hai kyun k aisa he ho raha hai
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 15:26:02 +0500
Tanqeed karna in ka vateera ban chuka hai, yeh kisi surat baaz nahi a'ain gay aur ghair muslimon ka sahara la kar musalmanon ko degrade karna aur un ma fasaad phelana in ki purani aadat ho chuki hai...
In kay ilm o aqqal ka yahin se andazah ho jata hai k yeh aik hindu ki poetry se mutasir hain jesay Nauzubillah woh Qurah ho...
Dear All
Agar ek hindu poet kuch likhey or aap log itna serious ley kar, usey haq maantey ho tho, Aap musalmaan or Mushrik k beech faraq saabit karney k liye kisi hindu poet ka sahara leingey?
Kya aapney sahi Aalim-e-deen sey is baarey mein ruju (tazkira) kiye ho?
Aaj siraf or siraf ek he religion apni sahi haalat mein zinda hai, tho woh siraf or siraf Muslim religion hai, Deen-e-Rasool Allah (SAW). is baat ko saari duniya maanti hai, per kuch Musalmaan he hain jin ko shak hai, woh bhi kisi Hindu poet ki waja sey.
Woh hindu poet jisey khud uska religion ka sahi naam tak nahi pata, woh Musalmaano per poem likhey tho kuch padhey likhey log usey sahi samajh kar fatwey dena shuru kar detey hain.
Kya aap log Sahi ho? or yeh kis Hindu ney likhi hai? kon hain woh? kaha rehta hai? kuch pata hai aapko?
Jab nai maalum tho kyon apni zubaan islam k liye kholtey ho?
Yeh Deen-e-Islam hai, Allah ka deen, kisi ki soch ya falsafa nai k jo chaho kehlo.
Hope you guys understand it.
Aasi-O-Gunahgaar, Talib-E-Madina
On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Zeeshan Siddiqui
<zshansiddiqui@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear All,
I can't able to understand that why we wish to close our eyes and why non-muslims has become derider upon us. Why we left teachings of Nabi (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) when Allah's apostle (Sallalaho Alaihe Wa Aalehi Wasallam) taught us that we should worship of saints and build their tombs. Aren't we going on the track of Hindus & Christians. Yes indeed we are doing same thing more or less. We all should do our betterment according to Quran & Sunnah.
We should go on the narrow way by Allah's mercy.
AMEEN
From: info@lhr.sapphire.com.pkTo: joinpakistan@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:39 +0500 Yes, its nothing except wrong presumptions and creating hatred in the name of ISLAM...
I agree with Syed Irfan Ashraf, Peshawar. There are so many problems which we are facing. It is time to be positive and trained our mind according to according to Islamic form. Islam does not believe in cast system. This poem lead us to wrong direction.
Muhammed Hussain Vegelpoory
New Karachi
--- On Wed, 11/24/10, Irfan Ashraf <syedirfanashraf@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Irfan Ashraf <syedirfanashraf@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: **JP** Poem by a Hindu Poet - An eye opener !!!
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 24, 2010, 9:30 PM
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