World News: Nov 1, 2010

Monday, November 1, 2010

Re: Urgent Message to New York State Voters: Don't Let Obstructionist Republicans Win Back The State Senate

Dick was right on the money TommyTomTomForNews.....What you seek is "special rights" and additional privileges above what every other American has, because of who you want to hop in the sack with.

As it stands now, you can marry anyone that you so choose, just as any other man, or woman can.

If you want to redefine the definition of marriage, (which is an ecclesiastical function, and throughout history is defined as being between a man and a woman) then put it up for a vote. Let's see how that goes for ya.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

False twisted pretzel logic. No dice, no points to Dick.

On 11/1/10, dick thompson <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> And the support of the people of NY state is what? Do you have numbers
> as to what support this has?
>
> Also remember that members of legislative bodies represent their
> constituents. Suppose the constituents supported civil unions but not
> marriage, something which is common across the country. If the civil
> union gave you the benefits of marriage, why would you give a damn. And
> if the constituents supported civil unions but not marriage, then that
> is what their senators should vote. Did you ask why the 8 Dems voted
> against? If they had not voted against it would have passed 32-30.
> Blame them!
>
> On 11/01/2010 02:01 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>> On December 2nd, 2009, by a vote of 38
>> Nays to 24 Yeas, The New York State Senate Voted Against Marriage
>> Equality.
>> Every single Republican and eight Democrats voted for discrimination.
>>
>>
>> On 11/1/10, dick thompson<rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> What stand-alone bill did the Republicans vote for discrimination. If
>>> you are still harping on DADT, they should have noted against that
>>> debacle. The garbage that was tacked onto that bill made it imperative
>>> to see it did not get passed.
>>>
>>> If you want repeal of DADT passed, then put up a bill that repeals
>>> DADT. Also make sure that you also change the UCMJ as well. As it
>>> stands now if all you do is let the judge say DADT is bad, then it
>>> defaults to the older legislation in UCMJ which actually does not even
>>> include DADT but only dismissal. Stop playing stupid games with the
>>> crap. Pitiful! Also remember who first passed and signed DADT. And
>>> no, it was not the Republicans. Thank your hero, Bubba, and his crew
>>> that were in charge.
>>>
>>> On 11/01/2010 01:21 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>> Every single Republican voted for discrimination.
>>>> Every single one. No exceptions.
>>>>
>>>> Do NOT vote for a Republican obstructionist under ANY circumstances.
>>>>
>>>> A Republican Mammoth:
>>>>
>>>> https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNhVxhrwnnsNAk0dYuT8PvXUIV9y9tWhKf2_uKzKfQ_0KcsIjKkbhYhvdcAIE04c5AKTqYjLLuy27i1NoX737NSx04zgkVJK3kVk68RR3WGAuKqlzZHkDGbhMmIKv3nzOdp6PS9Fe6DSnd/s400/GOP+mammoth+large.jpg
>>>>
>>>> On 11/1/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Grim Dems await huge House losses :-)))))

Keith is a hateful lying deranged dismissive devisive deluded dopey wingnut.

Yes, he is.

On 11/1/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you noticed that anyone who questions
> LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews' posts, they are immediately branded as
> violent, bullies, "potty mouthed" and Anti-American? (All the while, Lil'
> TommyTomTomForNews is slinging out the vilest of hatred and smear.....
>
> Boy, that Tommy and Joy(less) Bayhar....Two Moonbats who cannot quite keep
> their hatred, fear and anger over their March to Communist Utopia being
> stymied, because Americans woke up! Kind of funny in a way, if it were not
> so sad.
>
> Can you imagine how the likes of Joy, TommyTomTom, Whoopi, Michael Moore,
> and a host of other, very vocal, but still a small minority of Moonbats will
> be on "Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning"?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> a violent mouth?
>>
>> someone bite off your little 2 incher Tomy?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce is a little bully girl with a vile violent potty mouth.
>>>
>>> On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Tommy come out from behind Michelle's fat spreading ass
>>> >
>>> > If anyone here was violent you would have been beaten up for fun and
>>> dead
>>> > long ago
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Travis is a violent bully.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/1/10, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> > I can think of 533 PoS's that I would like to help join the
>>> unemployment
>>> >> > line. I have a 2X4 handy too.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> *Grim Dems await huge House losses*
>>> >> >> By: Alex Isenstadt
>>> >> >> October 31, 2010 04:53 PM EDT
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The last TV ads have been cut. The final polls have been conducted.
>>> The
>>> >> >> end-of-campaign expenditures are being made.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Now, for Democratic consultants and campaign officials who have
>>> plotted
>>> >> >> and
>>> >> >> strategized for months to preserve the embattled House majority,
>>> >> >> there's
>>> >> >> nothing left to do but sit and wait for the expected horrors of
>>> >> >> Election
>>> >> >> Day
>>> >> >> to unfold.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There is nearly uniform consensus among Democratic campaign
>>> >> professionals
>>> >> >> that the House is gone — the only question, it seems, is how many
>>> seats
>>> >> >> they
>>> >> >> will lose.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> While few will say so on the record for fear of alienating party
>>> >> officials
>>> >> >> or depressing turnout, every one of nearly a dozen Democratic House
>>> >> >> consultants and political strategists surveyed expect a GOP
>>> >> >> majority
>>> to
>>> >> be
>>> >> >> elected Tuesday — the consensus was that Democrats would lose
>>> somewhere
>>> >> >> between 50 and 60 seats.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> A senior party consultant who was on the low end with his
>>> predictions
>>> >> said
>>> >> >> the party would lose between 40 and 50 seats. On the high end, one
>>> >> >> Democratic consultant said losses could number around 70 seats.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> All spoke to the grimness of the mood.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "It sucks," said Dave Beattie, a Florida-based Democratic pollster
>>> who
>>> >> is
>>> >> >> working on a slate of competitive House races and who acknowledges
>>> that
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> lower congressional chamber is lost. "I'm resigned to the fact that
>>> it
>>> >> >> sucks."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> While there was optimistic talk within party circles early this
>>> month
>>> >> that
>>> >> >> the electoral environment was improving for the party, the
>>> operatives
>>> >> said
>>> >> >> those conversations don't take place anymore.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "If some Democratic consultant told you they are feeling better,
>>> they
>>> >> must
>>> >> >> have dropped some heavy drugs," said a senior pollster who is
>>> working
>>> >> for
>>> >> >> candidates in competitive races. "It's hard."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee this week launched
>>> >> >> something of a last-ditch offensive to save some of its incumbents,
>>> >> >> purchasing airtime to defend endangered members like Iowa Rep. Dave
>>> >> >> Loebsack, Illinois Rep. Bill Foster and New Jersey Rep. John Adler
>>> >> >> —
>>> >> >> all
>>> >> >> of
>>> >> >> whom are highly vulnerable but whom party officials believe could
>>> >> >> ultimately
>>> >> >> prevail.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> The committee also sought to shore up incumbents who until recently
>>> >> >> were
>>> >> >> not thought to be in electoral peril: Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva,
>>> Iowa
>>> >> >> Rep.
>>> >> >> Bruce Braley and North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Still, among those in the Democratic consulting class, there's a
>>> gloomy
>>> >> >> acknowledgment that many of the incumbents the DCCC has spent
>>> millions
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> dollars to protect won't be coming back to Congress.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Everybody that is tied will lose, and everyone that is ahead by a
>>> few
>>> >> >> points will lose because of the GOP wave," said one party media
>>> >> consultant
>>> >> >> who is involved in a wide array of House races. "There are going to
>>> be
>>> >> >> some
>>> >> >> surprises."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Some strategists have resigned themselves to an election night that
>>> >> >> will
>>> >> >> bring an early end to the promising careers of Democrats they
>>> >> >> shepherded
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> victories in 2006 and 2008.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "In a wave election, part of the problem is that you feel
>>> >> >> powerless.
>>> >> >> Everything I feel I know how to do, that I'm trained to do, I can't
>>> do.
>>> >> >> And
>>> >> >> that feeling is pervasive," said the pollster. "There's a sense
>>> >> >> that
>>> >> >> there's
>>> >> >> nothing you can do about it. When you know your friends are on the
>>> >> >> chopping
>>> >> >> block, it's hard."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "There's nothing worse than talking to an incumbent member of
>>> Congress
>>> >> >> who's been cut off by the DCCC and who has no money," said another
>>> >> >> Democratic consultant who has worked on crafting some of the
>>> >> >> party's
>>> TV
>>> >> >> ads
>>> >> >> this cycle. "It's like talking to a dead man walking."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> But Nov. 2 will also bring a welcome end to a rough final stretch
>>> that
>>> >> >> left
>>> >> >> many party strategists frustrated. Some talked about having to
>>> switch
>>> >> >> campaign strategies multiple times in hapless attempts to raise
>>> >> >> rock-bottom
>>> >> >> poll numbers.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "It's a 24-hour labor," said John Anzalone, an Alabama-based
>>> pollster
>>> >> who
>>> >> >> works closely with the DCCC. "In 2006 and 2008, everything was
>>> >> >> going
>>> >> your
>>> >> >> way. This is brutal."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There is ongoing debate within Democratic circles about when,
>>> exactly,
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> party lost its handle on the electoral environment. Some
>>> >> >> consultants
>>> >> >> say
>>> >> >> they realized they lost the House in early October, when it finally
>>> >> became
>>> >> >> apparent that incumbents couldn't move their poll numbers.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> But others say the electoral map hardened this spring, after the
>>> House
>>> >> >> passed a health care bill that remains deeply unpopular among
>>> voters.
>>> >> >> Democratic campaign officials say it is no accident that there are
>>> few
>>> >> >> Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts who have promoted
>>> their
>>> >> >> support for the health care measure on the campaign trail, and most
>>> >> don't
>>> >> >> even acknowledge it.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "To a lot of folks, it was a symbol of government," said Beattie,
>>> the
>>> >> >> Florida-based pollster. "It's not about the content for most
>>> voters."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Already, the finger-pointing is beginning. With outside
>>> >> >> conservative
>>> >> >> groups
>>> >> >> pouring millions of dollars into races across the country, some
>>> >> operatives
>>> >> >> singled out liberal interest groups for not engaging in the
>>> election.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "If there's one person to blame, it's the liberal groups who said
>>> they
>>> >> >> would get involved early but they didn't," said the media
>>> consultant.
>>> >> >> "I
>>> >> >> think they've been totally unhelpful."
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> But, most of the consultants said, much of the post-election
>>> scrutiny
>>> >> >> would
>>> >> >> surround President Barack Obama and a White House political
>>> operation
>>> >> that
>>> >> >> over the past two years struggled to sell an ambitious agenda that
>>> >> turned
>>> >> >> out to be radioactive to a wide swath of the electorate.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Here's the part of this that bothers me the most: This is not an
>>> >> >> embracing
>>> >> >> of Republicans. It's a rejection of Democrats," said Andrew Myers,
>>> >> >> a
>>> >> >> veteran
>>> >> >> Democratic pollster who worked on several House campaigns.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >>
>>> http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03A44CBF-0C07-448A-99CB09FC8163E166
>>> >> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >> Have a great day,
>>> >> Tommy
>>> >>
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Re: Grim Dems await huge House losses :-)))))

I just assume it's an auto-response he has when he is out of town since it's the same mindless sentence

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Have you noticed that anyone who questions LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews' posts, they are immediately branded as violent, bullies, "potty mouthed" and Anti-American? (All the while, Lil' TommyTomTomForNews is slinging out the vilest of hatred and smear.....

Boy, that Tommy and Joy(less) Bayhar....Two Moonbats who cannot quite keep their hatred, fear and anger over their March to Communist Utopia being stymied, because Americans woke up! Kind of funny in a way, if it were not so sad.

Can you imagine how the likes of Joy, TommyTomTom, Whoopi, Michael Moore, and a host of other, very vocal, but still a small minority of Moonbats will be on "Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning"?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

a violent mouth?

someone bite off your little 2 incher Tomy?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Bruce is a little bully girl with a vile violent potty mouth.

On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy come out from behind Michelle's fat spreading ass
>
> If anyone here was violent you would have been beaten up for fun and dead
> long ago
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Travis is a violent bully.
>>
>> On 11/1/10, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I can think of 533 PoS's that I would like to help join the unemployment
>> > line. I have a 2X4 handy too.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> *Grim Dems await huge House losses*
>> >> By: Alex Isenstadt
>> >> October 31, 2010 04:53 PM EDT
>> >>
>> >> The last TV ads have been cut. The final polls have been conducted. The
>> >> end-of-campaign expenditures are being made.
>> >>
>> >> Now, for Democratic consultants and campaign officials who have plotted
>> >> and
>> >> strategized for months to preserve the embattled House majority,
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing left to do but sit and wait for the expected horrors of
>> >> Election
>> >> Day
>> >> to unfold.
>> >>
>> >> There is nearly uniform consensus among Democratic campaign
>> professionals
>> >> that the House is gone — the only question, it seems, is how many seats
>> >> they
>> >> will lose.
>> >>
>> >> While few will say so on the record for fear of alienating party
>> officials
>> >> or depressing turnout, every one of nearly a dozen Democratic House
>> >> consultants and political strategists surveyed expect a GOP majority to
>> be
>> >> elected Tuesday — the consensus was that Democrats would lose somewhere
>> >> between 50 and 60 seats.
>> >>
>> >> A senior party consultant who was on the low end with his predictions
>> said
>> >> the party would lose between 40 and 50 seats. On the high end, one
>> >> Democratic consultant said losses could number around 70 seats.
>> >>
>> >> All spoke to the grimness of the mood.
>> >>
>> >> "It sucks," said Dave Beattie, a Florida-based Democratic pollster who
>> is
>> >> working on a slate of competitive House races and who acknowledges that
>> >> the
>> >> lower congressional chamber is lost. "I'm resigned to the fact that it
>> >> sucks."
>> >>
>> >> While there was optimistic talk within party circles early this month
>> that
>> >> the electoral environment was improving for the party, the operatives
>> said
>> >> those conversations don't take place anymore.
>> >>
>> >> "If some Democratic consultant told you they are feeling better, they
>> must
>> >> have dropped some heavy drugs," said a senior pollster who is working
>> for
>> >> candidates in competitive races. "It's hard."
>> >>
>> >> The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee this week launched
>> >> something of a last-ditch offensive to save some of its incumbents,
>> >> purchasing airtime to defend endangered members like Iowa Rep. Dave
>> >> Loebsack, Illinois Rep. Bill Foster and New Jersey Rep. John Adler —
>> >> all
>> >> of
>> >> whom are highly vulnerable but whom party officials believe could
>> >> ultimately
>> >> prevail.
>> >>
>> >> The committee also sought to shore up incumbents who until recently
>> >> were
>> >> not thought to be in electoral peril: Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva, Iowa
>> >> Rep.
>> >> Bruce Braley and North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre.
>> >>
>> >> Still, among those in the Democratic consulting class, there's a gloomy
>> >> acknowledgment that many of the incumbents the DCCC has spent millions
>> of
>> >> dollars to protect won't be coming back to Congress.
>> >>
>> >> "Everybody that is tied will lose, and everyone that is ahead by a few
>> >> points will lose because of the GOP wave," said one party media
>> consultant
>> >> who is involved in a wide array of House races. "There are going to be
>> >> some
>> >> surprises."
>> >>
>> >> Some strategists have resigned themselves to an election night that
>> >> will
>> >> bring an early end to the promising careers of Democrats they
>> >> shepherded
>> >> to
>> >> victories in 2006 and 2008.
>> >>
>> >> "In a wave election, part of the problem is that you feel powerless.
>> >> Everything I feel I know how to do, that I'm trained to do, I can't do.
>> >> And
>> >> that feeling is pervasive," said the pollster. "There's a sense that
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing you can do about it. When you know your friends are on the
>> >> chopping
>> >> block, it's hard."
>> >>
>> >> "There's nothing worse than talking to an incumbent member of Congress
>> >> who's been cut off by the DCCC and who has no money," said another
>> >> Democratic consultant who has worked on crafting some of the party's TV
>> >> ads
>> >> this cycle. "It's like talking to a dead man walking."
>> >>
>> >> But Nov. 2 will also bring a welcome end to a rough final stretch that
>> >> left
>> >> many party strategists frustrated. Some talked about having to switch
>> >> campaign strategies multiple times in hapless attempts to raise
>> >> rock-bottom
>> >> poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> "It's a 24-hour labor," said John Anzalone, an Alabama-based pollster
>> who
>> >> works closely with the DCCC. "In 2006 and 2008, everything was going
>> your
>> >> way. This is brutal."
>> >>
>> >> There is ongoing debate within Democratic circles about when, exactly,
>> the
>> >> party lost its handle on the electoral environment. Some consultants
>> >> say
>> >> they realized they lost the House in early October, when it finally
>> became
>> >> apparent that incumbents couldn't move their poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> But others say the electoral map hardened this spring, after the House
>> >> passed a health care bill that remains deeply unpopular among voters.
>> >> Democratic campaign officials say it is no accident that there are few
>> >> Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts who have promoted their
>> >> support for the health care measure on the campaign trail, and most
>> don't
>> >> even acknowledge it.
>> >>
>> >> "To a lot of folks, it was a symbol of government," said Beattie, the
>> >> Florida-based pollster. "It's not about the content for most voters."
>> >>
>> >> Already, the finger-pointing is beginning. With outside conservative
>> >> groups
>> >> pouring millions of dollars into races across the country, some
>> operatives
>> >> singled out liberal interest groups for not engaging in the election.
>> >>
>> >> "If there's one person to blame, it's the liberal groups who said they
>> >> would get involved early but they didn't," said the media consultant.
>> >> "I
>> >> think they've been totally unhelpful."
>> >>
>> >> But, most of the consultants said, much of the post-election scrutiny
>> >> would
>> >> surround President Barack Obama and a White House political operation
>> that
>> >> over the past two years struggled to sell an ambitious agenda that
>> turned
>> >> out to be radioactive to a wide swath of the electorate.
>> >>
>> >> "Here's the part of this that bothers me the most: This is not an
>> >> embracing
>> >> of Republicans. It's a rejection of Democrats," said Andrew Myers, a
>> >> veteran
>> >> Democratic pollster who worked on several House campaigns.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03A44CBF-0C07-448A-99CB09FC8163E166
>> >>
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>>
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>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy
>>
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Re: Grim Dems await huge House losses :-)))))

Have you noticed that anyone who questions LilMarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews' posts, they are immediately branded as violent, bullies, "potty mouthed" and Anti-American? (All the while, Lil' TommyTomTomForNews is slinging out the vilest of hatred and smear.....

Boy, that Tommy and Joy(less) Bayhar....Two Moonbats who cannot quite keep their hatred, fear and anger over their March to Communist Utopia being stymied, because Americans woke up! Kind of funny in a way, if it were not so sad.

Can you imagine how the likes of Joy, TommyTomTom, Whoopi, Michael Moore, and a host of other, very vocal, but still a small minority of Moonbats will be on "Tuesday evening/Wednesday morning"?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

a violent mouth?

someone bite off your little 2 incher Tomy?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Bruce is a little bully girl with a vile violent potty mouth.

On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy come out from behind Michelle's fat spreading ass
>
> If anyone here was violent you would have been beaten up for fun and dead
> long ago
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Travis is a violent bully.
>>
>> On 11/1/10, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I can think of 533 PoS's that I would like to help join the unemployment
>> > line. I have a 2X4 handy too.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> *Grim Dems await huge House losses*
>> >> By: Alex Isenstadt
>> >> October 31, 2010 04:53 PM EDT
>> >>
>> >> The last TV ads have been cut. The final polls have been conducted. The
>> >> end-of-campaign expenditures are being made.
>> >>
>> >> Now, for Democratic consultants and campaign officials who have plotted
>> >> and
>> >> strategized for months to preserve the embattled House majority,
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing left to do but sit and wait for the expected horrors of
>> >> Election
>> >> Day
>> >> to unfold.
>> >>
>> >> There is nearly uniform consensus among Democratic campaign
>> professionals
>> >> that the House is gone — the only question, it seems, is how many seats
>> >> they
>> >> will lose.
>> >>
>> >> While few will say so on the record for fear of alienating party
>> officials
>> >> or depressing turnout, every one of nearly a dozen Democratic House
>> >> consultants and political strategists surveyed expect a GOP majority to
>> be
>> >> elected Tuesday — the consensus was that Democrats would lose somewhere
>> >> between 50 and 60 seats.
>> >>
>> >> A senior party consultant who was on the low end with his predictions
>> said
>> >> the party would lose between 40 and 50 seats. On the high end, one
>> >> Democratic consultant said losses could number around 70 seats.
>> >>
>> >> All spoke to the grimness of the mood.
>> >>
>> >> "It sucks," said Dave Beattie, a Florida-based Democratic pollster who
>> is
>> >> working on a slate of competitive House races and who acknowledges that
>> >> the
>> >> lower congressional chamber is lost. "I'm resigned to the fact that it
>> >> sucks."
>> >>
>> >> While there was optimistic talk within party circles early this month
>> that
>> >> the electoral environment was improving for the party, the operatives
>> said
>> >> those conversations don't take place anymore.
>> >>
>> >> "If some Democratic consultant told you they are feeling better, they
>> must
>> >> have dropped some heavy drugs," said a senior pollster who is working
>> for
>> >> candidates in competitive races. "It's hard."
>> >>
>> >> The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee this week launched
>> >> something of a last-ditch offensive to save some of its incumbents,
>> >> purchasing airtime to defend endangered members like Iowa Rep. Dave
>> >> Loebsack, Illinois Rep. Bill Foster and New Jersey Rep. John Adler —
>> >> all
>> >> of
>> >> whom are highly vulnerable but whom party officials believe could
>> >> ultimately
>> >> prevail.
>> >>
>> >> The committee also sought to shore up incumbents who until recently
>> >> were
>> >> not thought to be in electoral peril: Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva, Iowa
>> >> Rep.
>> >> Bruce Braley and North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre.
>> >>
>> >> Still, among those in the Democratic consulting class, there's a gloomy
>> >> acknowledgment that many of the incumbents the DCCC has spent millions
>> of
>> >> dollars to protect won't be coming back to Congress.
>> >>
>> >> "Everybody that is tied will lose, and everyone that is ahead by a few
>> >> points will lose because of the GOP wave," said one party media
>> consultant
>> >> who is involved in a wide array of House races. "There are going to be
>> >> some
>> >> surprises."
>> >>
>> >> Some strategists have resigned themselves to an election night that
>> >> will
>> >> bring an early end to the promising careers of Democrats they
>> >> shepherded
>> >> to
>> >> victories in 2006 and 2008.
>> >>
>> >> "In a wave election, part of the problem is that you feel powerless.
>> >> Everything I feel I know how to do, that I'm trained to do, I can't do.
>> >> And
>> >> that feeling is pervasive," said the pollster. "There's a sense that
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing you can do about it. When you know your friends are on the
>> >> chopping
>> >> block, it's hard."
>> >>
>> >> "There's nothing worse than talking to an incumbent member of Congress
>> >> who's been cut off by the DCCC and who has no money," said another
>> >> Democratic consultant who has worked on crafting some of the party's TV
>> >> ads
>> >> this cycle. "It's like talking to a dead man walking."
>> >>
>> >> But Nov. 2 will also bring a welcome end to a rough final stretch that
>> >> left
>> >> many party strategists frustrated. Some talked about having to switch
>> >> campaign strategies multiple times in hapless attempts to raise
>> >> rock-bottom
>> >> poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> "It's a 24-hour labor," said John Anzalone, an Alabama-based pollster
>> who
>> >> works closely with the DCCC. "In 2006 and 2008, everything was going
>> your
>> >> way. This is brutal."
>> >>
>> >> There is ongoing debate within Democratic circles about when, exactly,
>> the
>> >> party lost its handle on the electoral environment. Some consultants
>> >> say
>> >> they realized they lost the House in early October, when it finally
>> became
>> >> apparent that incumbents couldn't move their poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> But others say the electoral map hardened this spring, after the House
>> >> passed a health care bill that remains deeply unpopular among voters.
>> >> Democratic campaign officials say it is no accident that there are few
>> >> Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts who have promoted their
>> >> support for the health care measure on the campaign trail, and most
>> don't
>> >> even acknowledge it.
>> >>
>> >> "To a lot of folks, it was a symbol of government," said Beattie, the
>> >> Florida-based pollster. "It's not about the content for most voters."
>> >>
>> >> Already, the finger-pointing is beginning. With outside conservative
>> >> groups
>> >> pouring millions of dollars into races across the country, some
>> operatives
>> >> singled out liberal interest groups for not engaging in the election.
>> >>
>> >> "If there's one person to blame, it's the liberal groups who said they
>> >> would get involved early but they didn't," said the media consultant.
>> >> "I
>> >> think they've been totally unhelpful."
>> >>
>> >> But, most of the consultants said, much of the post-election scrutiny
>> >> would
>> >> surround President Barack Obama and a White House political operation
>> that
>> >> over the past two years struggled to sell an ambitious agenda that
>> turned
>> >> out to be radioactive to a wide swath of the electorate.
>> >>
>> >> "Here's the part of this that bothers me the most: This is not an
>> >> embracing
>> >> of Republicans. It's a rejection of Democrats," said Andrew Myers, a
>> >> veteran
>> >> Democratic pollster who worked on several House campaigns.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03A44CBF-0C07-448A-99CB09FC8163E166
>> >>
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Hate, An American Voter Value

Hate, An American Voter Value By Gary Laderman

God hates fags. Burn the Qur'an. The president is a Muslim socialist.
Jews control the media. Immigrants are invading America...

Hate is as American as apple pie. A sentiment stitched into the fabric
of national life from the early stirrings of Revolution in the
colonies (they hated the old rulers across the Atlantic) to
contemporary feelings about the government (we hate the rulers in
Congress). What's most striking about this embedded and endemic force
circulating through the body politic for all these years is just how
valuable hatred can be for some segments of our culture; so valuable
that hatred can be sacred for some.

Perhaps religion itself, at some early evolutionary point in human
history, emerged not as an outgrowth of altruism or loving bonds
between community members, but rather as a result of hateful
differences between groups. Religion has a rich history of promoting
hate and gaining rewards from this hatred: more faithful adherents for
sure, but also at times material wealth, political power, and social
authority. The notion that religion contributes to the social emphasis
on hate and plays a role in the effervescent energies devoted to
stirring up hateful sentiment is elementary to many students and
observers on the subject. In the U.S., hate is a driver constantly
shaping and reshaping the religious landscape.

Case in point: Just look at how hate brought the religious margins
directly into the mainstream, as was recently evident with the planned
Qur'an burning in North Florida. While the church itself came from the
fringe, it certainly resonated throughout American culture due, most
likely, to a much larger and more widespread fear and hatred of
Muslims. Hate can also bring the religious mainstream out into the
convoluted lives of marginal characters who can inflict awful harm on
those singled out as objects of hatred; as is the case in the recent
brutal attacks on gays. The culture of hate emanating from many in the
mainstream religious right—hatred of "Obamacare," of government,
Muslims, abortion, or gays—will continue to spur individuals to action
bent on destroying the enemy in the name of… some higher principle, a
sacred law, God?

Politics thrives on hate as well, though politicians get value-added,
religious-tinged benefits from naming an enemy who is not simply one
who disagrees with a point of view, but is identified as the most
vital threat to public order, the moral good, and national life. What
are the values added? Fear, a tried and true ingredient for
consolidating social power and sharpening the line between insiders
and outsiders; a scapegoat—if not for the sins of the community, then
at least as a useful distraction from community failures and sins; and
retaliatory possibilities—every crowd worked into a frenzy over whom
to hate wants to be simultaneously protective and aggressive, while
our gun-crazy, militarized culture points the way (in the name of God,
blow 'em up!).

Hasn't it always been this way? Pick any decade from American history
and you can find political leaders encouraging hate—both to protect
American values and interests and to strengthen the civil religious
ties that are supposed to bind us all together. Hate the English, hate
the French, hate the Spanish, hate the Japanese, hate the Germans,
hate the Koreans, hate the Vietnamese, hate the Russians, hate the
Iraqis, and so on for the so-called "foreign" enemies to fear. On the
domestic side, the list comes too easily: hate Indians, hate blacks,
hate Jews, hate anarchists, hate war protestors, hate government, hate
the North, hate the South, hate the gays….

Aside from the raw political value of hate, think of the potential for
media exposure when you are a religious hater. When the Dalai Lama
comes to town (to start with a counter-example) with monks, cultural
activities, and lectures, the fundamental core of his
teaching—compassion—is a media buzzkill. Even with Richard Gere in
tow, his visits are mostly ignored by journalists, bloggers, and news
celebrities, as well as their audiences. Love for your fellow man and
kindness to your neighbor just isn't as appealing as calling your
opponent Hitler or burning the sacred text from a different faith. Why
is that? Maybe we should take a survey.

The media, of course, is not the only culprit in promoting a culture
that values hate; though its unofficial motto, if it bleeds it leads,
does suggest some degree of culpability. A brief glance across news
shows and sites suggests that hate stories—not just hate crimes, a
relatively new legal designation, but also stories that focus on
conflict and hostility based on passionate dislike for the other—are
staples in news media. Additionally and beyond the news, so much of
popular culture is fueled by depictions of hate and difference
overcome by cruel violence. Whether it's the cowboys killing the
savage Indians, the space hero destroying the ruthless aliens, or the
soldier slicing the enemy's throat, hate is elemental in the
entertainment industry. Do we even need to bring up shooter video
games like Bioshock, Resistance: Fall of Man, and Crysis in a
discussion of the value of hate in media?

Though all this talk of hate and what seems like constant fighting and
warfare has left me at a loss for words, these Clash lyrics seem to
capture the essence quite nicely:

Hate and War, the only things we got today
And if I close my eyes
They will not go away
You have to deal with it
It is the currency
Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate...

More:
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/atheologies/3650/hate,_an_american_voter_value

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Re: Grim Dems await huge House losses :-)))))

Using words as clubs, as you do, is verbal violence.

Someone bite off your vile tongue, please.

On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
> a violent mouth?
>
> someone bite off your little 2 incher Tomy?
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce is a little bully girl with a vile violent potty mouth.
>>
>> On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Tommy come out from behind Michelle's fat spreading ass
>> >
>> > If anyone here was violent you would have been beaten up for fun and
>> > dead
>> > long ago
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Travis is a violent bully.
>> >>
>> >> On 11/1/10, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > I can think of 533 PoS's that I would like to help join the
>> unemployment
>> >> > line. I have a 2X4 handy too.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> *Grim Dems await huge House losses*
>> >> >> By: Alex Isenstadt
>> >> >> October 31, 2010 04:53 PM EDT
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The last TV ads have been cut. The final polls have been conducted.
>> The
>> >> >> end-of-campaign expenditures are being made.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now, for Democratic consultants and campaign officials who have
>> plotted
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> strategized for months to preserve the embattled House majority,
>> >> >> there's
>> >> >> nothing left to do but sit and wait for the expected horrors of
>> >> >> Election
>> >> >> Day
>> >> >> to unfold.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is nearly uniform consensus among Democratic campaign
>> >> professionals
>> >> >> that the House is gone — the only question, it seems, is how many
>> seats
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> will lose.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> While few will say so on the record for fear of alienating party
>> >> officials
>> >> >> or depressing turnout, every one of nearly a dozen Democratic House
>> >> >> consultants and political strategists surveyed expect a GOP majority
>> to
>> >> be
>> >> >> elected Tuesday — the consensus was that Democrats would lose
>> somewhere
>> >> >> between 50 and 60 seats.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A senior party consultant who was on the low end with his
>> >> >> predictions
>> >> said
>> >> >> the party would lose between 40 and 50 seats. On the high end, one
>> >> >> Democratic consultant said losses could number around 70 seats.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> All spoke to the grimness of the mood.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "It sucks," said Dave Beattie, a Florida-based Democratic pollster
>> who
>> >> is
>> >> >> working on a slate of competitive House races and who acknowledges
>> that
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> lower congressional chamber is lost. "I'm resigned to the fact that
>> it
>> >> >> sucks."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> While there was optimistic talk within party circles early this
>> >> >> month
>> >> that
>> >> >> the electoral environment was improving for the party, the
>> >> >> operatives
>> >> said
>> >> >> those conversations don't take place anymore.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "If some Democratic consultant told you they are feeling better,
>> >> >> they
>> >> must
>> >> >> have dropped some heavy drugs," said a senior pollster who is
>> >> >> working
>> >> for
>> >> >> candidates in competitive races. "It's hard."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee this week launched
>> >> >> something of a last-ditch offensive to save some of its incumbents,
>> >> >> purchasing airtime to defend endangered members like Iowa Rep. Dave
>> >> >> Loebsack, Illinois Rep. Bill Foster and New Jersey Rep. John Adler —
>> >> >> all
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> whom are highly vulnerable but whom party officials believe could
>> >> >> ultimately
>> >> >> prevail.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The committee also sought to shore up incumbents who until recently
>> >> >> were
>> >> >> not thought to be in electoral peril: Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva,
>> Iowa
>> >> >> Rep.
>> >> >> Bruce Braley and North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Still, among those in the Democratic consulting class, there's a
>> gloomy
>> >> >> acknowledgment that many of the incumbents the DCCC has spent
>> millions
>> >> of
>> >> >> dollars to protect won't be coming back to Congress.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Everybody that is tied will lose, and everyone that is ahead by a
>> few
>> >> >> points will lose because of the GOP wave," said one party media
>> >> consultant
>> >> >> who is involved in a wide array of House races. "There are going to
>> be
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> surprises."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Some strategists have resigned themselves to an election night that
>> >> >> will
>> >> >> bring an early end to the promising careers of Democrats they
>> >> >> shepherded
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> victories in 2006 and 2008.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "In a wave election, part of the problem is that you feel powerless.
>> >> >> Everything I feel I know how to do, that I'm trained to do, I can't
>> do.
>> >> >> And
>> >> >> that feeling is pervasive," said the pollster. "There's a sense that
>> >> >> there's
>> >> >> nothing you can do about it. When you know your friends are on the
>> >> >> chopping
>> >> >> block, it's hard."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "There's nothing worse than talking to an incumbent member of
>> Congress
>> >> >> who's been cut off by the DCCC and who has no money," said another
>> >> >> Democratic consultant who has worked on crafting some of the party's
>> TV
>> >> >> ads
>> >> >> this cycle. "It's like talking to a dead man walking."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But Nov. 2 will also bring a welcome end to a rough final stretch
>> that
>> >> >> left
>> >> >> many party strategists frustrated. Some talked about having to
>> >> >> switch
>> >> >> campaign strategies multiple times in hapless attempts to raise
>> >> >> rock-bottom
>> >> >> poll numbers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "It's a 24-hour labor," said John Anzalone, an Alabama-based
>> >> >> pollster
>> >> who
>> >> >> works closely with the DCCC. "In 2006 and 2008, everything was going
>> >> your
>> >> >> way. This is brutal."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is ongoing debate within Democratic circles about when,
>> exactly,
>> >> the
>> >> >> party lost its handle on the electoral environment. Some consultants
>> >> >> say
>> >> >> they realized they lost the House in early October, when it finally
>> >> became
>> >> >> apparent that incumbents couldn't move their poll numbers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But others say the electoral map hardened this spring, after the
>> House
>> >> >> passed a health care bill that remains deeply unpopular among
>> >> >> voters.
>> >> >> Democratic campaign officials say it is no accident that there are
>> few
>> >> >> Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts who have promoted
>> their
>> >> >> support for the health care measure on the campaign trail, and most
>> >> don't
>> >> >> even acknowledge it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "To a lot of folks, it was a symbol of government," said Beattie,
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Florida-based pollster. "It's not about the content for most
>> >> >> voters."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Already, the finger-pointing is beginning. With outside conservative
>> >> >> groups
>> >> >> pouring millions of dollars into races across the country, some
>> >> operatives
>> >> >> singled out liberal interest groups for not engaging in the
>> >> >> election.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "If there's one person to blame, it's the liberal groups who said
>> they
>> >> >> would get involved early but they didn't," said the media
>> >> >> consultant.
>> >> >> "I
>> >> >> think they've been totally unhelpful."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> But, most of the consultants said, much of the post-election
>> >> >> scrutiny
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> surround President Barack Obama and a White House political
>> >> >> operation
>> >> that
>> >> >> over the past two years struggled to sell an ambitious agenda that
>> >> turned
>> >> >> out to be radioactive to a wide swath of the electorate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Here's the part of this that bothers me the most: This is not an
>> >> >> embracing
>> >> >> of Republicans. It's a rejection of Democrats," said Andrew Myers, a
>> >> >> veteran
>> >> >> Democratic pollster who worked on several House campaigns.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03A44CBF-0C07-448A-99CB09FC8163E166
>> >> >>
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Re: The Libertarian Pledge to America

I still consider myself a conservative libertarian, and was once a member of the Libertarian Party. (Back in the early 1990s, when the Republican Party kicked me out....Another story, for another day!)

Like most conservatives, we left the Libertarian Party in droves, (and formed think tanks like the Cato Institute & Hoover Institute, just to name a couple of conservative libertatian think tanks) because of the Anarchists and Moonbats that don't really have a clue what the Constitution says, and are in general, confused. If you want to see the definition of "ClusterFuck"; See The Libertarian Party, 2010.

If I were King, I would do away with certain provisions of the Patriot Act, as well as eliminating the Department of Homeland Security, the TSA, the Department of Education, the Department of Energy, and the Department of Transportation, (which Michael didn't list). I would greatly scale down a number of the agencies and the provisional policies that Michael listed above....But to get rid of NASA, the FDA, and a host of other agencies that he suggests? Ridiculous, and there is nothing that is unconstitutional about a number of these agencies. Again, Moonbats and Crackpots who know just enough about our history to be dangerous.

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:

MJ can I still be a libertarian if I want to retain the Patriot Act and high taxes for all federal bureaucrats and politicians, but not for private American citizens?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:34 PM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:

I promise to repeal the PATRIOT ACT
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98-1

VERY Repubican eh?

On Nov 1, 11:59 am, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I promise to repeal the PATRIOT ACT.
> I promise to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> I promise to cease all drone attacks and covert activities.
> I promise to limit the Department of Defense to actual defense
>
> ... even these, that might sound good to so-called liberals.... aren't
> that appealing to me.....modify, certainly, but abolish or end....
> that depends on how under what conditions.....
>
> On Nov 1, 10:25 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Republicans are so statist and so opposed to liberty that they would choke on the first item. To libertarians, ending the war on drugs is a no-brainer. Aside from the moral argument for personal liberty, which is compelling enough, the costs of drug prohibition far outweigh any possible benefits. It clogs the judicial system, swells prison populations, fosters violence, corrupts law enforcement, erodes civil liberties, destroys financial privacy, encourages illegal searches and seizures, ruins lives, wastes hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars, hinders legitimate pain treatment, turns law-abiding people into criminals, inconveniences shopping, and has no impact on the use or availability of most drugs in the United States."The Libertarian Pledge to Americaby Laurence M. Vance
> > Just in time to bamboozle conservative voters before the election, House Republicans unveiled their "Pledge to America" at a hardware store in Virginia in late September. Although the Pledge contains libertarian rhetoric about promoting "greater liberty" and "smaller, more accountable government," the fact that Republicans promise to roll back spending only to the level it was during Bush's last year in office and "advance the cause of freedom and democracy around the world" means that the Pledge is stupid and evil.
> > We libertarians are often told that instead of tearing down the policies of liberals and conservatives we should offer some real solutions. Well, if I were a libertarian running for office, I would issue my own pledge. But instead of vague, empty, and false promises we find in the Republican "Pledge to America," I have come up with fifty specific, unambiguous promises that seem so radical to the average voter that I know I could never be elected. But these are not just my preferences and convictions; these are things that all libertarians should be consistently and unequivocally promising – if they are trying to be honest instead of trying to be elected.
> > Here is the Libertarian Pledge to America:I promise to end the war on drugs.I promise to abolish the Department of Energy.I promise to abolishallanti-trust laws.I promise to abolish the Federal Housing Administration.I promise to abolish the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae).I promise to abolish the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddy Mac).I promise to abolish the Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae).I promise to repeal the Fair Housing Act.I promise to abolish the Department of Housing and Urban Development.I promise to abolish the Federal Trade Commission.I promise to abolish the EPA.I promise to abolish the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.I promise to abolish the Department of Education.I promise to end federal funding and control of education.I promise to cease funding Head Start.I promise to cease funding the National School Lunch Program.I promise to repeal the federal minimum wage.I promise to repeal the National Labor Relations Act.I promise to repeal the PATRIOT ACT.I promise to abolish the Department of Homeland Security.I promise to abolish the TSA and return airport security to airports and airlines.I promise to repealallfederal gun regulations.I promise to abolish NASA.I promise to abolish the National Endowment for the Arts.I promise to abolish the National Endowment for the Humanities.I promise to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.I promise to ceasealldrone attacks and covert activities.I promise to bringallU.S. troops home from foreign soil.I promise to closeallforeign military bases.I promise to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries.I promise to limit the Department of Defense to actual defense.I promise to endallfederal bailouts.I promise to stop funding the UN, World Bank, and IMF.I promise to endallforeign aid.I promise to endallfarm subsidies.I promise to repeal all trade restrictions, import quotas, anti-dumping laws, and trade agreements.I promise to abolish the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission.I promise to repeal the Americans with Disabilities Act.I promise to repealallAffirmative Action, minority set-asides, and public accommodations laws.I promise to repeal the Family and Medical Leave Act.I promise to cease funding Planned Parenthood.I promise to abolish the Department of Health and Human Services.I promise to repeal the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.I promise to end Medicare and Medicaid.I promise to endallfederal funding and control of medicine and medical research.I promise to abolish the FDA.I promise to abolish the EPA.I promise to abolish the Department of Labor.I promise to cease funding any scientific research on climate change.I promise to end the FED.
> > These are just things that are unconstitutional according to article I, section 8, of the Constitution and its Tenth Amendment that I just thought of off the top of my head. If I took the time, I could come up with an additional fifty. Then I could ask some libertarian friends of mine to help me come up with even more.Walter Blockcould certainly come up with fifty more, including abolishing the Department of Transportation.Tom DiLorenzocould also come up with another fifty more, including repealing the Community Reinvestment Act.
> > Republicans are so statist and so opposed to liberty that they would choke on the first item. To libertarians, ending the war on drugs is a no-brainer. Aside from the moral argument for personal liberty, which is compelling enough, the costs of drug prohibition far outweigh any possible benefits. It clogs the judicial system, swells prison populations, fosters violence, corrupts law enforcement, erodes civil liberties, destroys financial privacy, encourages illegal searches and seizures, ruins lives, wastes hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars, hinders legitimate pain treatment, turns law-abiding people into criminals, inconveniences shopping, and has no impact on the use or availability of most drugs in the United States.

> > The libertarian pledge to America – outside of Ron Paul and a few libertarians are there any candidates who will take it?- Hide quoted text -
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Re: Grim Dems await huge House losses :-)))))

a violent mouth?

someone bite off your little 2 incher Tomy?

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Bruce is a little bully girl with a vile violent potty mouth.

On 11/1/10, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tommy come out from behind Michelle's fat spreading ass
>
> If anyone here was violent you would have been beaten up for fun and dead
> long ago
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Travis is a violent bully.
>>
>> On 11/1/10, Travis <baconlard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I can think of 533 PoS's that I would like to help join the unemployment
>> > line. I have a 2X4 handy too.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Cold Water <coldwater000@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> *Grim Dems await huge House losses*
>> >> By: Alex Isenstadt
>> >> October 31, 2010 04:53 PM EDT
>> >>
>> >> The last TV ads have been cut. The final polls have been conducted. The
>> >> end-of-campaign expenditures are being made.
>> >>
>> >> Now, for Democratic consultants and campaign officials who have plotted
>> >> and
>> >> strategized for months to preserve the embattled House majority,
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing left to do but sit and wait for the expected horrors of
>> >> Election
>> >> Day
>> >> to unfold.
>> >>
>> >> There is nearly uniform consensus among Democratic campaign
>> professionals
>> >> that the House is gone — the only question, it seems, is how many seats
>> >> they
>> >> will lose.
>> >>
>> >> While few will say so on the record for fear of alienating party
>> officials
>> >> or depressing turnout, every one of nearly a dozen Democratic House
>> >> consultants and political strategists surveyed expect a GOP majority to
>> be
>> >> elected Tuesday — the consensus was that Democrats would lose somewhere
>> >> between 50 and 60 seats.
>> >>
>> >> A senior party consultant who was on the low end with his predictions
>> said
>> >> the party would lose between 40 and 50 seats. On the high end, one
>> >> Democratic consultant said losses could number around 70 seats.
>> >>
>> >> All spoke to the grimness of the mood.
>> >>
>> >> "It sucks," said Dave Beattie, a Florida-based Democratic pollster who
>> is
>> >> working on a slate of competitive House races and who acknowledges that
>> >> the
>> >> lower congressional chamber is lost. "I'm resigned to the fact that it
>> >> sucks."
>> >>
>> >> While there was optimistic talk within party circles early this month
>> that
>> >> the electoral environment was improving for the party, the operatives
>> said
>> >> those conversations don't take place anymore.
>> >>
>> >> "If some Democratic consultant told you they are feeling better, they
>> must
>> >> have dropped some heavy drugs," said a senior pollster who is working
>> for
>> >> candidates in competitive races. "It's hard."
>> >>
>> >> The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee this week launched
>> >> something of a last-ditch offensive to save some of its incumbents,
>> >> purchasing airtime to defend endangered members like Iowa Rep. Dave
>> >> Loebsack, Illinois Rep. Bill Foster and New Jersey Rep. John Adler —
>> >> all
>> >> of
>> >> whom are highly vulnerable but whom party officials believe could
>> >> ultimately
>> >> prevail.
>> >>
>> >> The committee also sought to shore up incumbents who until recently
>> >> were
>> >> not thought to be in electoral peril: Arizona Rep. Raul Grijalva, Iowa
>> >> Rep.
>> >> Bruce Braley and North Carolina Rep. Mike McIntyre.
>> >>
>> >> Still, among those in the Democratic consulting class, there's a gloomy
>> >> acknowledgment that many of the incumbents the DCCC has spent millions
>> of
>> >> dollars to protect won't be coming back to Congress.
>> >>
>> >> "Everybody that is tied will lose, and everyone that is ahead by a few
>> >> points will lose because of the GOP wave," said one party media
>> consultant
>> >> who is involved in a wide array of House races. "There are going to be
>> >> some
>> >> surprises."
>> >>
>> >> Some strategists have resigned themselves to an election night that
>> >> will
>> >> bring an early end to the promising careers of Democrats they
>> >> shepherded
>> >> to
>> >> victories in 2006 and 2008.
>> >>
>> >> "In a wave election, part of the problem is that you feel powerless.
>> >> Everything I feel I know how to do, that I'm trained to do, I can't do.
>> >> And
>> >> that feeling is pervasive," said the pollster. "There's a sense that
>> >> there's
>> >> nothing you can do about it. When you know your friends are on the
>> >> chopping
>> >> block, it's hard."
>> >>
>> >> "There's nothing worse than talking to an incumbent member of Congress
>> >> who's been cut off by the DCCC and who has no money," said another
>> >> Democratic consultant who has worked on crafting some of the party's TV
>> >> ads
>> >> this cycle. "It's like talking to a dead man walking."
>> >>
>> >> But Nov. 2 will also bring a welcome end to a rough final stretch that
>> >> left
>> >> many party strategists frustrated. Some talked about having to switch
>> >> campaign strategies multiple times in hapless attempts to raise
>> >> rock-bottom
>> >> poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> "It's a 24-hour labor," said John Anzalone, an Alabama-based pollster
>> who
>> >> works closely with the DCCC. "In 2006 and 2008, everything was going
>> your
>> >> way. This is brutal."
>> >>
>> >> There is ongoing debate within Democratic circles about when, exactly,
>> the
>> >> party lost its handle on the electoral environment. Some consultants
>> >> say
>> >> they realized they lost the House in early October, when it finally
>> became
>> >> apparent that incumbents couldn't move their poll numbers.
>> >>
>> >> But others say the electoral map hardened this spring, after the House
>> >> passed a health care bill that remains deeply unpopular among voters.
>> >> Democratic campaign officials say it is no accident that there are few
>> >> Democrats in moderate-to-conservative districts who have promoted their
>> >> support for the health care measure on the campaign trail, and most
>> don't
>> >> even acknowledge it.
>> >>
>> >> "To a lot of folks, it was a symbol of government," said Beattie, the
>> >> Florida-based pollster. "It's not about the content for most voters."
>> >>
>> >> Already, the finger-pointing is beginning. With outside conservative
>> >> groups
>> >> pouring millions of dollars into races across the country, some
>> operatives
>> >> singled out liberal interest groups for not engaging in the election.
>> >>
>> >> "If there's one person to blame, it's the liberal groups who said they
>> >> would get involved early but they didn't," said the media consultant.
>> >> "I
>> >> think they've been totally unhelpful."
>> >>
>> >> But, most of the consultants said, much of the post-election scrutiny
>> >> would
>> >> surround President Barack Obama and a White House political operation
>> that
>> >> over the past two years struggled to sell an ambitious agenda that
>> turned
>> >> out to be radioactive to a wide swath of the electorate.
>> >>
>> >> "Here's the part of this that bothers me the most: This is not an
>> >> embracing
>> >> of Republicans. It's a rejection of Democrats," said Andrew Myers, a
>> >> veteran
>> >> Democratic pollster who worked on several House campaigns.
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=03A44CBF-0C07-448A-99CB09FC8163E166
>> >>
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