How Obama is invading your home

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Updated: Mon., Oct. 11, 2010, 5:11 AM

How Obama is invading your home

By BEN LIEBERMAN

Last Updated: 5:11 AM, October 11, 2010

Posted: 2:44 AM, October 11, 2010

The Obama administration isn't satis fied giving the American public vast things we don't want — from stimu lus packages to bailouts to ObamaCare: It's a small-scale nuisance, too — witness its attempt to redesign home appliances.

In the pipeline are dumb regulations for almost everything that plugs in or fires up in your home.

Just weeks after taking office, the president ordered the Energy Department to speed up the process of issuing harsh new energy-efficiency standards for appliances. Since then, the agency boasts, it "has issued or codified new efficiency standards for more than 20 different products," and still more are on the way.

These regulations are sure to raise the price of appliances — often by more than consumers are ever likely to earn back in the form of energy savings. And some will make the product perform well.

The administration is meddling with every room in the house:

The basement:New standards are in the works for water heaters and furnaces. For water heaters, the Energy Department estimates price hikes from $67 to $974, depending on size and type.

The bathroom:The same 1992 law that gave us those awful low-flush toilets also restricted the amount of water showerheads could use to 2.5 gallons per minute. Some consumers who disliked the resulting weak trickle opted for models with two or more showerheads, each using the maximum 2.5 gallons. But Team Obama has now eliminated this "loophole" by requiring that the total flow must comply with the limit.

The kitchen: Think remodeling a kitchen is expensive now? Pending regulations target refrigerators, dishwashers, microwaves, ovens and ranges.

For refrigerators (at least), this is a clear case of overkill. The American fridge has already been hit by several rounds of tighter standards, with each new rule saving less energy than the last — but boosting the price and compromising performance and reliability. Even the Energy Department admits that most consumers will lose money on its latest refrigerator regulation.

The laundry room:New standards are on the way for washers and dryers. When the last clothes-washer regulation hit in 2007, Consumer Reportslamented that several ultra-efficient models "left our stain-soaked swatches nearly as dirty as they were before washing" and that "for best results, you'll have to spend $900 or more." The Obama rules will probably mean even worse news.

Any air-conditioned room:Both central air conditioners and window units are scheduled for new regulations. When the Energy Department rolled out its last round of central-AC rules back in January 2001 (one of those last-minute Clinton administration "midnight" regulations), it admitted that many homeowners would never recoup the added up-front costs. The new standards will follow the same "logic" — and thus should make for another lousy deal.

The Obama regulations come on top of all the past ones, including the worst one of all — the Bush-era requirement that will effectively ban incandescent light bulbs starting in 2012.

In nearly every case, consumers who want more efficient appliances — or those compact fluorescent light bulbs — are free to buy them. Energy-use labels tell you everything you need to know to make comparisons. All the federal rules do is is to force the government's preferred choice on everyone.

Government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" is busy enacting a bunch of things the people don't want, including these appliance regulations. Add them to the growing list of Obama (and Bush) measures ripe for repeal.

Ben Lieberman is an associate fellow in environmental policy with the Competitive Enterprise Institute, in Washington, DC.

 

 

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Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Liar.

On 10/13/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Tommy,

 

I was NOT trying to be funny... you posted the definition for inanimate objects... NOT people.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Mark-

 

Not funny. Not even in the same country as funny.

 

On 10/13/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

AH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So now Gays are inanimate objects !!!!! that is quite a step backward.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

No. Civil marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage. They arre two distinct and seperate entities.

 

I suggest you look into the Separation of Church and State.  

 

I disagree with you.

 

Marriage (noun)

 

2- The Joining together or the union of two separate things, such as objects, recipe ingredients, or ideas. 

 

 

On 10/13/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Tommy,

 

While Keith was and is an Attorney "in the trenches" I am a retired Human Rights arbitrator for the UN. I have spent my career "in the field" being shot at and or imprisoned for causes such as this.

 

Your blind statements to me, (and other regular posters who have held jobs with equal or greater responsibilities .... there are several) as far as my (our)  insensitivity, are so far off base it's pitiful and laughable.  

 

The definition is: (US Definition)

 

Main Entry: mar·riage

Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry

Date: 14th century

1

a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sexmarriage>

 

As you can see even in the second definition which allows for same-sex marriage it is simply 

 

**********like that of a traditional marriage***** 

It does not say the SAME as a traditional marriage.  You will NEVER achieve the word SAME in a definition for Gay marriage; it is not a possibility. Get over it.  Look into the civil versus church marriages in Germany..... they read the same as hetero vs. homo "marriage vs. civil in the US.  

 

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith-

 

As an attorney, you should know something about contracts.

 

Civil unions and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts than Civil Marriage contracts, and do not afford the same equal rights and benefits as Civil Marriage contracts. 

What these do is create a class of lesser, unequal second class citizens, and that is not acceptable.

 

As long as the government codifies civil marriage, all people must be included in those laws equally, regardless of gender. Anything less is discriminatory and conveys animus, as Judge Walker Vaughn so eloquently ruled in California.

 

On 10/13/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Gay Marriage Equality" does not equal "Equal Rights". 

 

As I have pointed out on numerous occasions, the "Gay Marriage" bill in California was ANYTHING BUT about equal rights.  California has an equal, "civil union" law on its books, and had it at the time that Proposition 8 was defeated by the majority of Californians.  The Domestic Partner law granted every right to a homosexual couple, that a man and a woman joined in matrimony has.  Check it out:
 
 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5
 
This issue doesn't have anything to do with equal rights.  It has to do with those far left extremists who are pushing a secularist agenda.  Mr. Paladino has said that he will not support such Anti-American policy.

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

No.

 

No. Civil rights matters should never be placed on the ballot, for the majority almost always votes against the minority.

All thirty two states that placed marriage equality on the ballot voted to outlaw it.

Paladino is a dangerous, angry bigot, and is wrong. He said:

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."

Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.

 

On 10/13/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

This is some of what Paladino has said, and all of it is offensive. If you agree that pro-gay legislation should be vetoed, as Paladino has vowed to do if elected, then you are as anti-gay and homophobic as Paladino is. 

 

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KeithInTampa says: 

 

Tom,  as you know, I am an attorney, and I have personally been involved in the representation and defense of a number of individuals whose civil rights were violated because of their sexual orientation.  I am a champion for equal rights.  Let's review Mr. Paladino's statements:

 

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I quote:

 

Paladino told the Jewish leaders in Brooklyn that he didn't march in "the gay parade this year -- the gay pride parade," while Cuomo did.

 

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KeithInTampa Responds:

 

This makes him a Homophobe, because he refused to march in one of these Gay Parades?   I will take it a step further.  Until such time as the Gay community cleans up its act, I would ban such parades on public streets!  It is one thing to have a parade that is adult oriented, like here in Tampa, where we have a parade in Ybor City called "Guavaween"; and it is an adult oriented theme.   It is held at night, and in a district that is strictly for adults.   This is not the case with the Gay Parades being held in a number of communities, including Disney World!  These parades are the epitome of raunch, and are held in front of children!  It might be only two or three percent of the participants, but until such time as this is policed, by the Gay community, as a Governor, I would not participate, nor would I condone or allow such activities in broad daylight, on public, downtown streets, where kids and families have no choice but to view such divergent behavior.

 

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"That's not the example we should be showing our children, and certainly not in our schools" he said.

 

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KeithIn Tampa chimes in:

 

Once again, agreed.   I think most Americans would agree.

 

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"And don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. That would be a dastardly lie. My approach is live and let live," he said.

 

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."

 

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KeithInTampa Points Out:

 

Paladino went on to say about that particular last remark:  "

 "I'm talking about young children. Young children should not be exposed to that at a young age, they don't understand it."

 

Further, I think even you, and all homosexuals will agree with this last statement by Mr. Paladino.   As you have pointed out over the last few weeks, the suicide rate for Gay teens is higher than it is for straight teens.  Most of the Gay men that I have met and know personally, have described horrific guilt growing up, and a hard time coming to the realization that they are somehow different than their straight, heterosexual counterparts.  

 

I don't know how many times I have heard it, but  more than a handful:  "I was born this way, and no one would choose to be Gay". 

 

Equal protection under the law, and equal rights;  the right to have a happy, productive lifestyle, does not include recruitment or glamorization of that lifestyle.  In this case, with what many consider to be "Gay lifestyle";  that many in this Nation believe is immoral and preverse. 

 

====================

 

Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.

 

====================

 

Mr. Paladino  said that if the same measure passed in a statewide referendum, he would uphold the law.

 

You, and several pro-Quomo news organizations left out some of Mr. Paladino's comments.  here are a couple of more:

 

"It's a very, very ugly experience for those that are discriminated against, it's terrible, and it shouldn't be. Our society should be more accepting," said Paladino, who had earlier in the interview referenced his gay nephew, who he said has suffered such discrimination.

"We need our elected officials to be leaders on diversity, not urging second-class citizenship for some groups of people,"

 

Hardly a Homophobe Tommy.   He might not be the candidate that you support, but to brand Mr. Paladino a Homophobe, is clearly hate, smear and typical antics that I reference frequently, that you and a host of far left extremists practice. 

 

You Sir, are the one that owes the apology to Mr. Paladino, for branding him a Homophobe!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Evening Tom,

 

You, nor anyone else that I have seen you post articles from, has identified what specifically it is that you, (or they) find offensive that Mr. Paladino purportedly said.  Mr. Paladino.

 

Mr. Paladino said emphatically that he believed in equal rights for all individuals, but he doesn't think young children should be exposed to homosexual promiscuity, such as Gay Day Parades.   

 

 I've seen nothing that could even be remotely construed as homophobic, and for the most part, I agree with Mr. Paladino!  Young children should not be exposed to ANY adult sexual promiscuity, and especially a bunch of Gays parading around in assless chaps, boas, or dressed up like a nekkid Statute of Liberty!

 

 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Have so.

On 10/12/10, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

You STILL have provided no CONTEXT ...

Regard$,
--MJ

Of course. What else can one do if one must
serve the people? If one must live for others?
Either pander to everybody's wishes and be
called corrupt; or impose on everybody by force
your own idea of everybody's good. Can you think
of any other way?  -- Gail Wynand

At 07:32 PM 10/12/2010, you wrote:

Paladino told the Jewish leaders in Brooklyn that he didn't march in "the gay parade this year -- the gay pride parade," while Cuomo did.

"That's not the example we should be showing our children, and certainly not in our schools" he said.

"And don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. That would be a dastardly lie. My approach is live and let live," he said.

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."
Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.
 
In other words, Paladino said that it is bad. He is unfit to be Governor.


On 10/12/10, droblaw@comcast.net <droblaw@comcast.net> wrote:

Where did he say it was bad?  The dispusting aspect was men gyrating into each other which I'm sure if heterosexuals were doing the same thing would be disgusting and inappropriate to expose to children.  What I get from your responses is a hpyer-sensitivity and a feeling of being singled out. 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:35:22 PM

Subject: Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Wrong.

 

Teaching children that homosexuals are bad and pride parades are "disgusting"

is not reasonable parenting. Far from it.

 

On 10/12/10, droblaw@comcast.net <droblaw@comcast.net> wrote:

I'm missing the hate speech.  He did what any reasonable parent would do.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tommy News" <tommysnews@gmail.com>

To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:25:35 PM

Subject: Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Of course Paladino stands by his hate filled gibberish!  And of course his attitude is a distraction!  And the next victim of violence because he/she is suspected to be gay should be credited to THIS millionaire out of touch eletist creep.  Anderson Cooper did an awesome report Sunday on the fact that HATE SPEECH incites violence, bullying, harassment, assaults, and suicides.  Apparently Paladino doesn't care. He is blinded by his own prejudice.

On 10/12/10, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Again, Democrats are not Marxists, Sucialists, or Communists. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat again.

 

And you are wrong again. Paladino said  horrible, homophobic, disgusting hateful  things,

and he sent out pornographic mysogynist and racist emails. This angry hypocrytical jerk is unfit to be Governor of New York.

Vote for Andrew Cuomo!

 

On 10/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com > wrote:

Just as curious,  how did (purportedly "windbag bigot") Republican Gubenatorial Candidate Paladino   "contribute to an atmosphere anti-gay prejudice"?

 

More hate, smear, nastiness from the far left, when Paladino said nothing of the sort, made no derogatory comments, and said nothing of the kind.

 

Again, far left hate, smear and a Marxist agenda, perpetrated  by Tom.

 

I heard Paladino's comments.   Far from anthing described by the hateful left.

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

"""""A rash of Gay suicides"""""" ??

Where is the proof that there are any more now than there ever were ??

On Oct 12, 12:16 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

>

 

> Today's editorial< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/11/AR201.. .>pretty

> much expresses my views on the rash of suicides of gay youth, the

> awful sexual torture of three gay men in New York and how windbag bigots

> like Republican candidate for New York governor Carl Paladino contribute to

> an atmosphere anti-gay prejudice. As the piece says, those wallowing in such

> ignorance provide "the hurtful slurs that eat away at the self-esteem of

> those who are gay or lesbian" and make "someone feel it's okay to verbally

> and physically harass, maim or even kill."

>

> But Paladino said something in his "Today Show" interview with Matt Lauer

> that needs to be highlighted for its pot-calling-the-kettle-black quality.

> Paladino hammered his Democratic opponent, New York State Attorney General

> Andrew Cuomo, for taking his daughters to the gay pride parade in New York

> City, a must-attend event for serious candidates for citywide and statewide

> public office. "I don't think it's proper for them to go there and watch a

> couple of grown men grind against each other," Paladino said with an air of

> moral indignation. "I don't think it's proper. I think it's disgusting."

>

>  Paladino knows "disgusting." He's a practiced peddler of

 

> filth< http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/tea_party_gov_candi.. .>.

> Back in April I

> wrote< http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/04/carl_paladino_i.. .>that

> he had a "penchant for forwarding e-mails that feature naked women,

> bestiality, the N-word and racist depictions of blacks in general and the

> president and first lady of the United States in particular." If you want to

> see for yourself how base and "disgusting" the Buffalo millionaire's sense

 

> of humor is click on this link < http://wnymedia.net/paladino/>.

>

> Blame Republican primary voters for unleashing Paladino on the Empire State.

> But given his troubling

 

> past< http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/09/carl_paladino_i.. .>and

> erratic and disturbing present he has a lot of nerve thinking he

> should

> be New York's next governor. As Brian Ellner of New Yorkers for Marriage

> Equality succinctly put it me yesterday, Paladino is "Out of touch, out of

> his mind, should be out of the race."

 

> More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/11/AR201. ..

>

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> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.

> Have a great day,

> Tommy

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Appropriate New Job for Obama

Dog Gooser of the United States

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Re: Wonder how close our current Congress can come to doing exactly what Sicily has been doing - so far they are closing in fast

I hear you dick thompson.....but here's a link site about the Wall
Street bailout costs.....
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Total_Wall_Street_Bailout_Cost
I'm far from knowledgeable on statistics or economics... but to me,
the Wall Street bailout seems to greatly surpass in money terms the
cost of the so-called "stimulus" program... or this current additional
infrastructure proposal.....
What gets me is that this TARP Wall Street "rip-off" is seemingly off
the radar....outside of the discussion.... now it's all
about....continued tax relief for the upper two percent......
The Wall Stree bailout...that's money already spent..... the Wall
Streeters (super riich) already got it and pocketed it... now it seems
to me that they're after more, with this "tax" issue...

On Oct 13, 11:40 am, dick <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The concept is the same but the realization is even more ridiculous.  
> Oreo is heading their way though.  This latest initiative of his to pour
> another $50 billion into infrastructure repair, etc is an example.  
> That was supposedly the whole basis for what he was going to do with the
> TARP funds.  Instead he poured it into payoffs to his buds and now he
> wants more to do what he was going to do with the first batch.  Any bets
> on where the $50 billion will end up?
>
> On 10/13/2010 11:19 AM, nominal9 wrote:
>
>
>
> > How's that compare to the Wall Street and the Bank bailouts here in
> > the U.S. under Bush/OreO, both?
> > nominal9
>
> > On Oct 12, 7:03 pm, dick<rhomp2...@earthlink.net>  wrote:
>
> >> *Pork Barrel Spending In Sicily: *If this article
> >> <http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/356171-sicily-gobbler-eu-...>
> >> is correct, Sicilian politicians could give much of the world lessons in
> >> wasteful spending.
>
> >>      Can we spend money?  And how, the Sicilian authorities tell the EU
> >>      inspectors who've come from Strasbourg.   And not just peanuts.
> >>        Because we do things big here or we don't them at all: after all,
> >>      we're spiritual heirs to the munificent, magnificent (Holy Roman
> >>      Emperor) Frederick II, the Stupor Mundi (Wonder of the World), whose
> >>      palace of velvet and gold is now the seat of the island's
> >>      parliament.  So there's nothing left of the EUR8.5 billion that
> >>      Europe lavished on the area from 2000 to 2007 to stop the
> >>      development gap, not even the crumbs, as the regional authorities
> >>      insist on pointing out.
>
> >>      Pity that in the same report that concludes Agenda 2000 --- the rain
> >>      of gold from Brussels that nurtured the island in those bumper years
> >>      --- the administration candidly admits that the money served no
> >>      purpose at all.  EUR700 million to improve the water supply?  In
> >>      2000, the water supply was "stop-and-flow" for 33% of Sicilian
> >>      households, now 38.7% have water worries.  Incentives to entice
> >>      off-season tourists?  Cost EUR400 million, enough to buy up an
> >>      airline.  And yet the ranks of those thankless tourists haven't
> >>      swelled, but petered out: from 1.2% in 2000 to 1.1% in 2007.  And as
> >>      to the EUR300 million invested in alternative energy projects great
> >>      and small: it's true, there isn't a single hillock without its
> >>      windmill now, but Sicilian output is stuck at 5% of total
> >>      consumption, as against an average 9.1% for Southern Italy as a whole.
>
> >> Not that many of us want them to give those lessons, of course.  But we
> >> should recognize that a few politicians will see this example as
> >> something to emulate, not avoid, and will see all those projects as good
> >> ways to buy the votes they need.
>
> >> And we should recognize that the best money of all to waste --- from the
> >> point of view of a pork-barrel politician --- is someone else's money.
> >>    There would have been less wasted in Sicily if the money had come from
> >> Italy, rather than the whole European Union, and even less wasted if the
> >> money had come from the places where it was spent.
>
> >> (Not so incidentally --- and we Americans should pay attention to this
> >> --- wind and solar projects have been plagued by fraud in much of
> >> Europe.  The enormous subsidies attracted crooks, and we should expect
> >> the same thing to happen here.
>
> >> Sicily has about five million people, so those EU subsidies would be
> >> roughly $2,000 for every man, woman, and child in the island.)
> >> - 10:11 AM, 12 October 2010 [link]
> >> <http://www.seanet.com/%7Ejimxc/Politics/October2010_2.html#jrm9236>
>
> >>   From Jim Miller on Politics- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Federal Judge acts while others debate DADT Pentagon gay policy

Judge acts while others debate Pentagon gay policy

By PETE YOST (AP) – 8 hours ago

WASHINGTON — A federal judge's ruling that the military must stop its "don't ask, don't tell" policy comes amid conflicting concerns of gays who think the government is moving too slowly to let them serve openly and Pentagon officials who believe that moving too quickly might disrupt a military engaged in war.

Gay rights groups have said they are disappointed that legislation to override the ban is likely to languish in Congress until next year, when Democrats could have fewer seats and less power to override Republican objections.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen, the military's top uniformed officer, have supported lifting the ban on gays serving openly. But Gates and Mullen also have warned that they would prefer to move slowly.

Meantime, despite a federal judge's ruling in San Diego on Tuesday, the battle in the courts over gays in the military may be far from over.

The Justice Department's first response may well be another trip to the courtroom of U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips in San Diego to seek a stay, or temporary freeze, of her ruling. If Phillips turns down the request, the Justice Department likely turn to the federal appeals court in California.

It was unclear whether Phillips' injunction against the 17-year-old policy on gays in the military would affect any ongoing cases.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, traveling with Gates in Hanoi, Vietnam, said, "We have just learned of the ruling and are now studying it. We will be in consultation with the Department of Justice about how best to proceed."

If the government does not appeal, the injunction cannot be reversed and would remain in effect. If it does appeal, that would put the administration in the position of continuing to defend a law it opposes.

With so much uncertainty, it also was unclear whether the ruling would have any immediate effect on the midterm election campaigns that so far have focused far more on economic than national security issues.

Gay rights groups warned gay troops not to disclose their identity for now. Aaron Tax, the legal director for the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, said he expects the Justice Department to appeal the case to the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

"Service members must proceed safely and should not come out at this time," Tax said in a statement.

Gates, a Republican, and Mullen face disagreement among the most senior general officers on whether lifting the ban would cause serious disruption at a time when troops are fighting in Afghanistan and winding down a long battle in Iraq.

For example, the incoming Marine commandant, Gen. Joseph Amos, and his predecessor, Gen. James Conway, both have told Congress that they think most Marines would be uncomfortable with the change and that the current policy works.

In part to resolve the question of how the troops feel, Gates has ordered a study due Dec. 1 that includes a survey of troops and their families.

Obama agreed to the Pentagon study. Obama also worked with Democrats to write a bill that would have lifted the ban, pending completion of the Defense Department review and certification from the military that troop morale wouldn't suffer. That legislation passed the House but was blocked in the Senate by Republicans.

Democrats could revive the legislation in Congress' lame-duck session after the Nov. 2 elections.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins accused Phillips of "playing politics" with national defense.

"Once again, an activist federal judge is using the military to advance a liberal social agenda, disregarding the views of all four military service chiefs and the constitutional role of Congress," he said.

Perkins urged the Justice Department "to fulfill its obligation to defend the law vigorously through the appeals process" and said "Congress should make clear that it will not tolerate this judicial activism."

Gates has said the purpose of his study isn't to determine whether to change the "don't ask, don't tell" law, which is something he says is probably inevitable but for Congress to decide. Instead, the study is intended to determine how to end the policy without causing serious disruption.

Coming just three weeks before voters go to the polls, Tuesday's ruling seemed unlikely to force a final weeks' change of strategy or message as candidates pounded home their plans to help put back to work the 15 million Americans lacking jobs.

Polls suggest the economy is driving voters' choices, pushing national security and social issues down on their list of concerns.

More:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxIyhWP4o0LCQi15rYE_GrzGWauwD9IQLPC00?docId=D9IQLPC00

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More good news from the IRS - and these are the people who are going to control fines for healthcare insurance???

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| IRS Servers Down During Crucial Week
| from the get-in-line-citizen dept.
| posted by timothy on Tuesday October 12, @19:30 (Bug)
|https://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/10/12/2234226/IRS-Servers-Down-During-Crucial-Week?from=newsletter
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

crimeandpunishment writes "A planned server outage turned into an
[0]unplanned glitch for the Internal Revenue Service, and it comes at a
very bad time. The IRS planned the server outage for the holiday weekend
... but today they couldn't get the system back into operation. This week
is the deadline for filing 2009 tax returns for taxpayers who got
extensions. So far it's not having a huge impact since the shutdown only
involves the updated version of the e-filing system, and most programs
used by large tax companies like H&R Block will default to the older
version. There's no estimate on when the system will be back up."

Discuss this story at:
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10/10/12/2234226&from=newsletter

Links:
0.http://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=3367

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Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Well hey there Dick !!! Nice to hear from ya !!!

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:44 AM, dick <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:

Funny because it is  your own definition.  Hang, petard, etc.

On 10/13/2010 11:34 AM, Tommy News wrote:

Mark-

 

Not funny. Not even in the same country as funny.

 

On 10/13/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

AH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

So now Gays are inanimate objects !!!!! that is quite a step backward.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

No. Civil marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage. They arre two distinct and seperate entities.

 

I suggest you look into the Separation of Church and State.  

 

I disagree with you.

 

Marriage (noun)

 

2- The Joining together or the union of two separate things, such as objects, recipe ingredients, or ideas. 

 

 

On 10/13/10, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Tommy,

 

While Keith was and is an Attorney "in the trenches" I am a retired Human Rights arbitrator for the UN. I have spent my career "in the field" being shot at and or imprisoned for causes such as this.

 

Your blind statements to me, (and other regular posters who have held jobs with equal or greater responsibilities .... there are several) as far as my (our)  insensitivity, are so far off base it's pitiful and laughable.  

 

The definition is: (US Definition)

 

Main Entry: mar·riage

Pronunciation: \ˈmer-ij, ˈma-rij\

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English mariage, from Anglo-French, from marier to marry

Date: 14th century

1

a (1) : the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sexmarriage>

 

As you can see even in the second definition which allows for same-sex marriage it is simply 

 

**********like that of a traditional marriage***** 

It does not say the SAME as a traditional marriage.  You will NEVER achieve the word SAME in a definition for Gay marriage; it is not a possibility. Get over it.  Look into the civil versus church marriages in Germany..... they read the same as hetero vs. homo "marriage vs. civil in the US.  

 

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith-

 

As an attorney, you should know something about contracts.

 

Civil unions and domestic partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts than Civil Marriage contracts, and do not afford the same equal rights and benefits as Civil Marriage contracts. 

What these do is create a class of lesser, unequal second class citizens, and that is not acceptable.

 

As long as the government codifies civil marriage, all people must be included in those laws equally, regardless of gender. Anything less is discriminatory and conveys animus, as Judge Walker Vaughn so eloquently ruled in California.

 

On 10/13/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

"Gay Marriage Equality" does not equal "Equal Rights". 

 

As I have pointed out on numerous occasions, the "Gay Marriage" bill in California was ANYTHING BUT about equal rights.  California has an equal, "civil union" law on its books, and had it at the time that Proposition 8 was defeated by the majority of Californians.  The Domestic Partner law granted every right to a homosexual couple, that a man and a woman joined in matrimony has.  Check it out:
 
 http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fam&group=00001-01000&file=297-297.5
 
This issue doesn't have anything to do with equal rights.  It has to do with those far left extremists who are pushing a secularist agenda.  Mr. Paladino has said that he will not support such Anti-American policy.

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

No.

 

No. Civil rights matters should never be placed on the ballot, for the majority almost always votes against the minority.

All thirty two states that placed marriage equality on the ballot voted to outlaw it.

Paladino is a dangerous, angry bigot, and is wrong. He said:

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."

Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.

 

On 10/13/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

This is some of what Paladino has said, and all of it is offensive. If you agree that pro-gay legislation should be vetoed, as Paladino has vowed to do if elected, then you are as anti-gay and homophobic as Paladino is. 

 

====

 

KeithInTampa says: 

 

Tom,  as you know, I am an attorney, and I have personally been involved in the representation and defense of a number of individuals whose civil rights were violated because of their sexual orientation.  I am a champion for equal rights.  Let's review Mr. Paladino's statements:

 

===========

 

I quote:

 

Paladino told the Jewish leaders in Brooklyn that he didn't march in "the gay parade this year -- the gay pride parade," while Cuomo did.

 

==========

 

KeithInTampa Responds:

 

This makes him a Homophobe, because he refused to march in one of these Gay Parades?   I will take it a step further.  Until such time as the Gay community cleans up its act, I would ban such parades on public streets!  It is one thing to have a parade that is adult oriented, like here in Tampa, where we have a parade in Ybor City called "Guavaween"; and it is an adult oriented theme.   It is held at night, and in a district that is strictly for adults.   This is not the case with the Gay Parades being held in a number of communities, including Disney World!  These parades are the epitome of raunch, and are held in front of children!  It might be only two or three percent of the participants, but until such time as this is policed, by the Gay community, as a Governor, I would not participate, nor would I condone or allow such activities in broad daylight, on public, downtown streets, where kids and families have no choice but to view such divergent behavior.

 

==============

 

"That's not the example we should be showing our children, and certainly not in our schools" he said.

 

================

 

KeithIn Tampa chimes in:

 

Once again, agreed.   I think most Americans would agree.

 

=============

 

 

"And don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. That would be a dastardly lie. My approach is live and let live," he said.

 

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."

 

=============

 

KeithInTampa Points Out:

 

Paladino went on to say about that particular last remark:  "

 "I'm talking about young children. Young children should not be exposed to that at a young age, they don't understand it."

 

Further, I think even you, and all homosexuals will agree with this last statement by Mr. Paladino.   As you have pointed out over the last few weeks, the suicide rate for Gay teens is higher than it is for straight teens.  Most of the Gay men that I have met and know personally, have described horrific guilt growing up, and a hard time coming to the realization that they are somehow different than their straight, heterosexual counterparts.  

 

I don't know how many times I have heard it, but  more than a handful:  "I was born this way, and no one would choose to be Gay". 

 

Equal protection under the law, and equal rights;  the right to have a happy, productive lifestyle, does not include recruitment or glamorization of that lifestyle.  In this case, with what many consider to be "Gay lifestyle";  that many in this Nation believe is immoral and preverse. 

 

====================

 

Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.

 

====================

 

Mr. Paladino  said that if the same measure passed in a statewide referendum, he would uphold the law.

 

You, and several pro-Quomo news organizations left out some of Mr. Paladino's comments.  here are a couple of more:

 

"It's a very, very ugly experience for those that are discriminated against, it's terrible, and it shouldn't be. Our society should be more accepting," said Paladino, who had earlier in the interview referenced his gay nephew, who he said has suffered such discrimination.

"We need our elected officials to be leaders on diversity, not urging second-class citizenship for some groups of people,"

 

Hardly a Homophobe Tommy.   He might not be the candidate that you support, but to brand Mr. Paladino a Homophobe, is clearly hate, smear and typical antics that I reference frequently, that you and a host of far left extremists practice. 

 

You Sir, are the one that owes the apology to Mr. Paladino, for branding him a Homophobe!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Evening Tom,

 

You, nor anyone else that I have seen you post articles from, has identified what specifically it is that you, (or they) find offensive that Mr. Paladino purportedly said.  Mr. Paladino.

 

Mr. Paladino said emphatically that he believed in equal rights for all individuals, but he doesn't think young children should be exposed to homosexual promiscuity, such as Gay Day Parades.   

 

 I've seen nothing that could even be remotely construed as homophobic, and for the most part, I agree with Mr. Paladino!  Young children should not be exposed to ANY adult sexual promiscuity, and especially a bunch of Gays parading around in assless chaps, boas, or dressed up like a nekkid Statute of Liberty!

 

 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Have so.

On 10/12/10, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

You STILL have provided no CONTEXT ...

Regard$,
--MJ

Of course. What else can one do if one must
serve the people? If one must live for others?
Either pander to everybody's wishes and be
called corrupt; or impose on everybody by force
your own idea of everybody's good. Can you think
of any other way?  -- Gail Wynand

At 07:32 PM 10/12/2010, you wrote:

Paladino told the Jewish leaders in Brooklyn that he didn't march in "the gay parade this year -- the gay pride parade," while Cuomo did.

"That's not the example we should be showing our children, and certainly not in our schools" he said.

"And don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. That would be a dastardly lie. My approach is live and let live," he said.

"I just think my children and your children would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family, and I don't want them brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."
Paladino vowed that as governor he would veto any bill legalizing gay marriage or civil unions.
 
In other words, Paladino said that it is bad. He is unfit to be Governor.


On 10/12/10, droblaw@comcast.net <droblaw@comcast.net> wrote:

Where did he say it was bad?  The dispusting aspect was men gyrating into each other which I'm sure if heterosexuals were doing the same thing would be disgusting and inappropriate to expose to children.  What I get from your responses is a hpyer-sensitivity and a feeling of being singled out. 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tommy News" <tommysnews@gmail.com>

To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:35:22 PM

Subject: Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Wrong.

 

Teaching children that homosexuals are bad and pride parades are "disgusting"

is not reasonable parenting. Far from it.

 

On 10/12/10, droblaw@comcast.net <droblaw@comcast.net> wrote:

I'm missing the hate speech.  He did what any reasonable parent would do.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Tommy News" <tommysnews@gmail.com>

To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:25:35 PM

Subject: Re: GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

Of course Paladino stands by his hate filled gibberish!  And of course his attitude is a distraction!  And the next victim of violence because he/she is suspected to be gay should be credited to THIS millionaire out of touch eletist creep.  Anderson Cooper did an awesome report Sunday on the fact that HATE SPEECH incites violence, bullying, harassment, assaults, and suicides.  Apparently Paladino doesn't care. He is blinded by his own prejudice.

On 10/12/10, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:

Again, Democrats are not Marxists, Sucialists, or Communists. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat again.

 

And you are wrong again. Paladino said  horrible, homophobic, disgusting hateful  things,

and he sent out pornographic mysogynist and racist emails. This angry hypocrytical jerk is unfit to be Governor of New York.

Vote for Andrew Cuomo!

 

On 10/12/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com > wrote:

Just as curious,  how did (purportedly "windbag bigot") Republican Gubenatorial Candidate Paladino   "contribute to an atmosphere anti-gay prejudice"?

 

More hate, smear, nastiness from the far left, when Paladino said nothing of the sort, made no derogatory comments, and said nothing of the kind.

 

Again, far left hate, smear and a Marxist agenda, perpetrated  by Tom.

 

I heard Paladino's comments.   Far from anthing described by the hateful left.

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:23 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

"""""A rash of Gay suicides"""""" ??

Where is the proof that there are any more now than there ever were ??

On Oct 12, 12:16 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  GOP parade of horribles: Carl Paladino

>

 

> Today's editorial< http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/11/AR201.. .>pretty

> much expresses my views on the rash of suicides of gay youth, the

> awful sexual torture of three gay men in New York and how windbag bigots

> like Republican candidate for New York governor Carl Paladino contribute to

> an atmosphere anti-gay prejudice. As the piece says, those wallowing in such

> ignorance provide "the hurtful slurs that eat away at the self-esteem of

> those who are gay or lesbian" and make "someone feel it's okay to verbally

> and physically harass, maim or even kill."

>

> But Paladino said something in his "Today Show" interview with Matt Lauer

> that needs to be highlighted for its pot-calling-the-kettle-black quality.

> Paladino hammered his Democratic opponent, New York State Attorney General

> Andrew Cuomo, for taking his daughters to the gay pride parade in New York

> City, a must-attend event for serious candidates for citywide and statewide

> public office. "I don't think it's proper for them to go there and watch a

> couple of grown men grind against each other," Paladino said with an air of

> moral indignation. "I don't think it's proper. I think it's disgusting."

>

>  Paladino knows "disgusting." He's a practiced peddler of

 

> filth< http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/04/tea_party_gov_candi.. .>.

> Back in April I

> wrote< http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/04/carl_paladino_i.. .>that

> he had a "penchant for forwarding e-mails that feature naked women,

> bestiality, the N-word and racist depictions of blacks in general and the

> president and first lady of the United States in particular." If you want to

> see for yourself how base and "disgusting" the Buffalo millionaire's sense

 

> of humor is click on this link < http://wnymedia.net/paladino/>.

>

> Blame Republican primary voters for unleashing Paladino on the Empire State.

> But given his troubling

 

> past< http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/09/carl_paladino_i.. .>and

> erratic and disturbing present he has a lot of nerve thinking he

> should

> be New York's next governor. As Brian Ellner of New Yorkers for Marriage

> Equality succinctly put it me yesterday, Paladino is "Out of touch, out of

> his mind, should be out of the race."

 

> More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/11/AR201. ..

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