Thursday, July 1, 2010

Re: Landing a fish in Florida.

Cricks. Oh yeah.


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Subject: Re: Landing a fish in Florida.


PN has creeks?

On Jul 1, 12:33 pm, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!!! An entirely different type of fishing than I did in the creeks of
> western Pennsylvania or in Lake Erie.
>
>
>
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> To: "PoliticalForum" <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 01:28
> Subject: Re: Landing a fish in Florida.
>
> ah, survival of the fittest
>
> On Jul 1, 8:02 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > vanmenevisblijvedoeme.wmv
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Re: The Limitless Power of the Obama-Kagan Congress

she would indeed be a rubber-stamp for
almost any part of the jewish agenda
Obama will always be second

On Jul 1, 12:35 pm, JSM <ekrub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This Sunday, our nation will celebrate Independence Day, which commemorates
> the Continental Congress' adoption of the Declaration of Independence on
> July 4, 1776. Thomas Jefferson's Declaration preamble reads: "We hold these
> truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are
> endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these
> are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The fact that we as a
> nation came together every year to celebrate this document might lead many
> Americans to believe that a Supreme Court Justice should take the
> Declaration of Independence into account when they are interpreting the
> Constitution. Elena Kagan is not one of those Americans. Under questioning
> from Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) yesterday, Kagan
> admitted<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368605:6530414634:m:1:1...>:
> "To be honest with you, I don't have a view of what are natural rights
> independent of the Constitution."
>
> And Kagan's disturbing indifference to the existence of natural rights is
> just one of the many frightening revelations her confirmation hearing has
> produced. On Tuesday, Sen. Coburn
> pressed<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368606:6530414634:m:1:1...>Kagan
> about the limits the Constitution places on Congress' power to control
> what Americans do:
>
> *Coburn:* If I wanted to sponsor a bill and it said Americans, you have to
> eat three vegetables and three fruits every day and I got it through
> Congress and that's now the law of the land, got to do it, does that violate
> the Commerce Clause?
>
> *Kagan*: Sounds like a dumb law
>
> *Coburn:* Yeah, but I got one that's real similar to it that I think is
> equally dumb. I'm not going to mention which it is.
>
> *Kagan:* But I think that the question of whether it's a dumb law is
> different from whether the question of whether it's constitutional and I
> think that courts would be wrong to strike down laws that they think are
> senseless just because they're senseless.
>
> The law Coburn was referring to, of course, was President Barack Obama's
> signature legislative accomplishment: the Obamacare provision that forces
> all Americans to buy health insurance. But Jefferson and the other
> Constitution framers designed the document to protect our "unalienable
> Rights" by limiting the power of Congress. They designed an ingenious system
> of checks and balances that divides state and federal authority in the hope
> of preventing any one government from exerting too much control over a free
> people. Specifically<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368607:6530414634:m:1:1...>,
> Article I allocates to Congress "[a]ll legislative powers herein granted,"
> and section 8 of Article I (referred to by Sen. Coburn above as the Commerce
> Clause), grants Congress the authority "[t]o regulate Commerce with foreign
> Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes." The
> Supreme Court has always understood that, taken together, these clauses put
> some legislative powers beyond Congress'
> reach<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368607:6530414634:m:1:1...>
> .
>
> But Kagan has now testified that not only does she find the Founders'
> concept of "unalienable Rights" irrelevant to Constitutional interpretation,
> but she also declined to say if the Constitution prevents Congress from
> telling Americans what to eat.  Her evasive non-response to Coburn's
> Commerce Clause inquiry shows that she would indeed be a rubber-stamp for
> almost any part of the Obama agenda that Congress
> enacts<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368608:6530414634:m:1:1...>.
> So if the Obama administration convinced Congress (and this is a total
> hypothetical) that the survival of a single car company, let's say Chrysler,
> was absolutely necessary for the survival of the nation's economy, and
> Congress then passed a law forcing all Americans to buy a Chrysler car,
> Kagan would find such a law, while perhaps "dumb," perfectly constitutional.
> Jefferson must be rolling in his grave.
>
> The leftist members of the Senate Judiciary Committee know that the
> Obamacare individual mandate is extremely vulnerable to being struck down by
> the Supreme Court. That is why they have spent so much of the hearing trying
> to redefine what "judicial activism"
> is<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368609:6530414634:m:1:1...>.
> As Heritage Deputy Director of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies
> Robert Alt will testify today, the Court is not committing "judicial
> activism" every time it finds that a law violates the Constitution. Judicial
> activism is not a function of outcomes, but one of
> interpretation<http://paracom.paramountcommunication.com/ct/4368610:6530414634:m:1:1...>.
> Instead, it occurs when a judge applies his or her own policy preferences to
> uphold, or strike down, a statute or other government action which is
> clearly forbidden by the Constitution.
>
> Kagan came to the committee with one of the thinnest records of any Supreme
> Court nominee in recent history. What little has been learned about her
> views so far has been highly disturbing. Nothing in her testimony has
> demonstrated she has either the respect for our nation's founding documents
> or the independence from this White House to apply the law as it is written,
> and dispense justice without regard to the parties before her.

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Re: Landing a fish in Florida.

PN has creeks?

On Jul 1, 12:33 pm, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> LOL!!!  An entirely different type of fishing than I did in the creeks of
> western Pennsylvania or in Lake Erie.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "plainolamerican" <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> To: "PoliticalForum" <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 01:28
> Subject: Re: Landing a fish in Florida.
>
> ah, survival of the fittest
>
> On Jul 1, 8:02 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > vanmenevisblijvedoeme.wmv
> > 3915KViewDownload
>
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The Limitless Power of the Obama-Kagan Congress

This Sunday, our nation will celebrate Independence Day, which commemorates the Continental Congress' adoption of the Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776. Thomas Jefferson's Declaration preamble reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The fact that we as a nation came together every year to celebrate this document might lead many Americans to believe that a Supreme Court Justice should take the Declaration of Independence into account when they are interpreting the Constitution. Elena Kagan is not one of those Americans. Under questioning from Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) yesterday, Kagan admitted: "To be honest with you, I don't have a view of what are natural rights independent of the Constitution."

And Kagan's disturbing indifference to the existence of natural rights is just one of the many frightening revelations her confirmation hearing has produced. On Tuesday, Sen. Coburn pressed Kagan about the limits the Constitution places on Congress' power to control what Americans do:
Coburn: If I wanted to sponsor a bill and it said Americans, you have to eat three vegetables and three fruits every day and I got it through Congress and that's now the law of the land, got to do it, does that violate the Commerce Clause?

Kagan: Sounds like a dumb law

Coburn: Yeah, but I got one that's real similar to it that I think is equally dumb. I'm not going to mention which it is.

Kagan: But I think that the question of whether it's a dumb law is different from whether the question of whether it's constitutional and I think that courts would be wrong to strike down laws that they think are senseless just because they're senseless.

The law Coburn was referring to, of course, was President Barack Obama's signature legislative accomplishment: the Obamacare provision that forces all Americans to buy health insurance. But Jefferson and the other Constitution framers designed the document to protect our "unalienable Rights" by limiting the power of Congress. They designed an ingenious system of checks and balances that divides state and federal authority in the hope of preventing any one government from exerting too much control over a free people. Specifically, Article I allocates to Congress "[a]ll legislative powers herein granted," and section 8 of Article I (referred to by Sen. Coburn above as the Commerce Clause), grants Congress the authority "[t]o regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes." The Supreme Court has always understood that, taken together, these clauses put some legislative powers beyond Congress' reach.

But Kagan has now testified that not only does she find the Founders' concept of "unalienable Rights" irrelevant to Constitutional interpretation, but she also declined to say if the Constitution prevents Congress from telling Americans what to eat.  Her evasive non-response to Coburn's Commerce Clause inquiry shows that she would indeed be a rubber-stamp for almost any part of the Obama agenda that Congress enacts. So if the Obama administration convinced Congress (and this is a total hypothetical) that the survival of a single car company, let's say Chrysler, was absolutely necessary for the survival of the nation's economy, and Congress then passed a law forcing all Americans to buy a Chrysler car, Kagan would find such a law, while perhaps "dumb," perfectly constitutional. Jefferson must be rolling in his grave.

The leftist members of the Senate Judiciary Committee know that the Obamacare individual mandate is extremely vulnerable to being struck down by the Supreme Court. That is why they have spent so much of the hearing trying to redefine what "judicial activism" is. As Heritage Deputy Director of the Center for Legal and Judicial Studies Robert Alt will testify today, the Court is not committing "judicial activism" every time it finds that a law violates the Constitution. Judicial activism is not a function of outcomes, but one of interpretation. Instead, it occurs when a judge applies his or her own policy preferences to uphold, or strike down, a statute or other government action which is clearly forbidden by the Constitution.

Kagan came to the committee with one of the thinnest records of any Supreme Court nominee in recent history. What little has been learned about her views so far has been highly disturbing. Nothing in her testimony has demonstrated she has either the respect for our nation's founding documents or the independence from this White House to apply the law as it is written, and dispense justice without regard to the parties before her.

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Re: Landing a fish in Florida.

LOL!!! An entirely different type of fishing than I did in the creeks of
western Pennsylvania or in Lake Erie.


----- Original Message -----
From: "plainolamerican" <plainolamerican@gmail.com>
To: "PoliticalForum" <politicalforum@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 01:28
Subject: Re: Landing a fish in Florida.


ah, survival of the fittest

On Jul 1, 8:02 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> vanmenevisblijvedoeme.wmv
> 3915KViewDownload

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Migrant solution is liberty


Migrant solution is liberty
HOWARD BLITZ
2010-06-29 21:58:00

French economist, statesman and author of "The Law," Frederic Bastiat, stated that if people and goods are not allowed to freely cross borders, soldiers will.

With the advent of the administration's authorization of quartering National Guard units on the Mexican-American border and many individuals' desire to station even more, the truth of Bastiat is dangerously close at hand.

More troops and additional building of walls on the border will beget more violence, not less, just like the Berlin Wall did between East and West Germany.

Much of the violence and crime associated with immigration is a result of the government's war on drugs. The solution is to end the government's war on drugs.

And much of the concern over immigrants being provided government welfare is a result of the government's war on poverty, which created the need for all of the government welfare programs, which in turn has created the antagonism between Americans over who ought to receive the government benefits.

The solution is to end the government's war on poverty.

Mass immigration is not necessarily negative. America had mass immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and it did not negatively impact the country. The difference between then and now is that back then there was no Social Security, Medicare or government welfare.

There also was very little government spending, economic regulation and very few trade restrictions. There was also no central bank, national service or large military industrial complex. It was also relatively easy to immigrate, therefore "sneaking in" was non-existent.

Terrorists and other criminals crossing an international border are no different than them crossing a state border. Laws already exist that make murder, rape, theft, and fraud crimes. Law enforcement officials are to use their resources to combat that activity as opposed to peaceful activity.

Demanding personal identification to be provided to government officials is more reflective of a police state than a free society. Individuals are not cattle to be tagged and identified. They are not property of the state.

Individuals are free human beings that have the right to life, liberty and to pursue happiness without infringing upon the right of others to do the same. The demand for government to perpetrate war on people must end.

To finance all of these government wars, additional government programs such as the Federal Reserve System and the income tax were established. The solution to ending the financing of all of the American government's wars is to eliminate both the Federal Reserve System and the income tax.

War brings total deprivation to people, not economic growth. The solution to war is not more war. The solution to war is peace. The founders of the United States understood that peace can only be achieved when government power is restrained.

They created the United States Constitution,putting government power in a lock box and assigning only very limited duties to its existence. Many individuals though, have found a way to unlock the lock box and now demand government to solve every issue that arises from immigration to the current oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, all of which were created by government intervention in the first place.

The Constitution does not authorize government to finance individuals or businesses. It does not authorize government to provide personal welfare for anyone, even American citizens. Immigration is not even mentioned in the Constitution; hence it is not the government's responsibility to control immigration.

Government power is the antithesis of individual freedom. Individuals must concentrate on reducing, not increasing, the amount of government in their lives. To do this, individuals must honor the Constitution and see to it that it is preserved.

To do that will require the elimination of the government's war on drugs, war on poverty, war on immigrants, war on people in general, and the Federal Reserve System and income tax.

Instead of trying to find ways for government to control individuals, invoking the United States Constitution will see the immigration issue, health care issue and all of the other issues that government creates be reduced immensely or even go away.

The Constitution exists to protect individuals from government, not to use government force on individuals. Government force, when not used in adherence to the Constitution, creates nothing but an environment where animosity and violence exist.

As George Washington so aptly observed, government is like fire, a dangerous servant and a fearful master.



Howard J. Blitz is the founder The Freedom Library in Yuma.
http://www.yumasun.com/opinion/government-62076-war-individuals.html

Re: Landing a fish in Florida.

ah, survival of the fittest

On Jul 1, 8:02 am, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>  vanmenevisblijvedoeme.wmv
> 3915KViewDownload

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Re: Philadelphia man indicted for using right to free speech

Hentoff has said that shortly after he "came out" as an opponent of
abortion, several of his colleagues at The Village Voice stopped
speaking to him. Hentoff has sardonically described himself as "a
member of the Proud and Ancient Order of Stiff-Necked Jewish Atheists"

On Jul 1, 9:12 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>    Originally Published: 6/17/2010 12:30:00 PM
>  Nat Hentoff: Philadelphia man indicted for using right to free speech
> ------------------------------
>
> This is a story that should be a warning to Americans, regardless of
> political party, because it dramatically illustrates what pre-eminent civil
> liberties attorney Harvey Silverglate documents in his book, "Three Felonies
> A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent" by means of the ever-increasing
> broad and vague federal laws that allow prosecutors to pin arguable federal
> crimes on any one of us, even for the most seemingly innocuous behavior.
>
> Consider what happened to an unemployed American, Bruce Shore, because of
> e-mails he sent to the Web site of U.S. Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky. As reported
> by Arthur Delaney on *huffingtonpost.com* <http://huffingtonpost.com/>,
> Shore, watching the Senate in inaction on C-Span, was angered when Bunning
> complained that, gosh, he has missed the Kentucky-South Carolina basketball
> game because he had to be in Congress to debate an unemployment benefits
> bill.
>
> "I was livid, I was just livid," recalled the 51-year-old Shore. "I'm on
> unemployment, so it affects me."
>
> Here is part of his Feb. 26 messages to Bunning staffers: "Are you'all
> insane. No checks equal no food for me. Do you get it?"
>
> The next month, FBI agents came calling to Shore's home in Philadelphia.
> They read him excerpts from his citizen's complaints and asked whether he
> was the author, which Shore readily admitted. Apparently these agents had
> heard something about the First Amendment, and told this indignant American,
> "All right, we just wanted to make sure it wasn't anything to worry about."
>
> But the ever-vigilant Obama administration was not satisfied. On May 13 U.S.
> Marshals appeared at Shore's door and handed him a grand jury indictment.
> James Madison, the father of the First Amendment, had insisted that the
> great right of freedom of speech must be placed beyond the reach of any
> branch of government. This is the indictment that forced Shore into federal
> court. The language is that of Communications Act of 1934 as amended and
> updated to include electronic messages in the Telecommunications Act of
> 1996: "(Shore) did utilize a telecommunications device, that is a computer,
> whether or not communication ensued, without disclosing his identity and
> with the intent to annoy, abuse, threaten and harass any person who received
> the communication."
>
> Even if Shore had chosen to be anonymous, the feds could have tracked him.
> So this case should also be a constitutional test of anonymous First
> Amendment speech. This dragnet federal statute, without protest from
> President Barack Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder, stated that if you
> intend to annoy or harass any person by exercising speech, you will be
> hauled into court.
>
> If found guilty, Shore — or anyone indicted for sending such harassing
> messages — could be imprisoned for up to two years and fined $250,000. I
> often am annoyed by my senator, Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., but so far, I have
> confined my harassing messages to him in my columns, which are transmitted
> in print and electronically. The same is true of my many annoying rebukes to
> the president, who apparently is quite sensitive to criticism. I'd better
> watch out.
>
> Silverglate said about this indictment of the First Amendment: "That a
> citizen is being charged under this statute for pestering a senator for not
> doing his public duty just shows the dangerous powers that these kinds of
> statutes give to heedless prosecutors. Even if citizen Shore ultimately wins
> the case, his life will have been turned upside-down and inside-out. This,
> of course, is the reason indictments like this are brought — to deter
> unwelcome speech."
>
> Said Shore: "I'm walking around in my head: 'jail for e-mail, jail for
> e-mail,' At this point I'm just looking at my government and going, anything
> is possible. When do the adults wake up and say, 'This gentleman is just
> angry and frustrated?' I'm just speechless. Shocked."
>
> Since Shore is a citizen actively involved in his government's fidelity to
> our founding document, I doubt he will remain speechless for long. For the
> rest of us, Frederick Douglass had this advice: "Find out just what any
> people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of
> injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them." This largely has been
> passive citizenry as the Constitution is being razed during these last 9½
> years. But maybe Shore, Silverglate and another crucial book, "In the Name
> of Justice" edited by Timothy Lynch, can arouse more Americans in self
> defense to ask themselves whether they are federal criminals not yet
> indicted.
>
> *Nat Hentoff is a syndicated columnist for Newspaper Enterprise Association.
> He is a renowned authority on the Bill of Rights. A native of Boston and a
> graduate of Northeastern University, Hentoff was a Fulbright fellow at the
> Sorbonne in Paris in 1950. He has written several books on subjects ranging
> from jazz to education.*

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Re: I haven't been following the career(?) of the Republican darling, Mitt Romney, but has he talked about life on other planets?

what kind of beliefs do you expect from a lost tribe of Israel?

at least Joseph wasn't crucified

On Jul 1, 9:48 am, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     Mankind are here because they are the offspring of parents who
> were first brought here from another planet, and power was given them
> to propagate their species.
>     LDS Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, 1859, Vol. 7, p.
> 285
>
>     Each succeeding generation of gods follow the example of the
> preceding ones: each generation have their wives, who raise up from
> the fruit of their loins immortal spirits: when their families become
> numerous, they organize new worlds for them...they place their
> families upon the same...
>     LDS Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, 1853, pp. 134-135

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